Today Fr. John Putka invited me, Fr. Joseph Pierce and Msgr. William Awalt to the Maggioni Restaurant in NW Washington. It was a great meal with wonderful friends.
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Today Fr. John Putka invited me, Fr. Joseph Pierce and Msgr. William Awalt to the Maggioni Restaurant in NW Washington. It was a great meal with wonderful friends.
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FATHER JOE
Exorcists are usually quiet and humble men. Archbishop Milingo was a sensationalist and evidently relished the attention he got as a spiritual healer. He left himself open for this kind of fall; indeed, in uniting with George Augustus Stallings, he has found a man with an enormous ego to match his own. Are they Catholics of any sort now, or just a branch of the Moonies? Stallings has women priests, condones all sorts of immoral practices (sexual in particular), combines Christianity with teachings and practices from Kwaanza, the Koran, and the various pagan teachings of the East. As soon as he started his own Church, he eradicated the sacrament of Penance. His religion is pelagian, pagan and utterly religious relativism. His doctrine of the Trinity is modalistic and the first person of the Trinity is called MOTHER-FATHER. The twisted version of the Creed he uses at services speaks of Christ’s birth (while the Latin of the Mother Church in Rome speaks of our Lord becoming “incarnate” which implies in the womb. He also says that Christ “becomes” a person; however, while he became MAN, he had been the Second PERSON of the Blessed Trinity from all eternity.
The issue here is more than a demand against the discipline of celibacy for priests. We see with the archbishop a profound shift away from the orthodox faith and a renunciation of magisterial authority.
CHIA
Will Archbishop Milingo surprise us next by becoming a Muslim?. As an Exorcist he could be under attack by Stan. Other Exorcists should exorcise him.
FATHER JOE
“…by STAN?” You no doubt mean Satan, although I always suspected that Stan Laurel had a dark side, not to mention Oliver Hardy. Peace!
NAZARENE
I am more than shocked to read his self-defense [from the archbishop]. How could anyone say that he loves and obeys Jesus without obeying His Church? Does Archbishop Milingo’s new discovery of marriage in his late 70’s hold water? Come on! He should be preparing for a good death (this age is biblically a bonus), not engaging the Church with his confusion.
BRUNO
The Church seems to care less about the flock entrusted to her care.
FATHER JOE
What do you mean?
The Church still ministers the sacraments and helps the poor. The Church still proclaims the Gospel, both in and out of season. And as much as it pains us in the Church, those that breech the discipline and the teachings of the living Church need censure, so that others will not be led astray.
The current story about Stallings and Milingo is less about faith and charity as it is about selfish ego and greed.
MWENYA
You have no idea how we in Zambia feel about such a great man as Milingo. We will always love him not matter what you and your cohorts say.
FATHER JOE
It is inconsequential how people in Zambia feel about the renegade archbishop.
You can love whomever you want, the fact is that the archbishop is now excommunicated from the Church and is in a new union with formal heretics.
He attempted marriage outside the Church in a ceremony conducted by the Moonies, a Church that insists that a Korean fanatic is the Messiah (and according to some sources, God).
If he has sex with the woman, then that also makes him a fornicator since he is not free to marry. May God have mercy on his soul, and all those who follow him.
DAVID
My soul is in partnership with the beloved LUTHER of our times, the beloved Archbishop Milingo. Unlike you, he sees the will of God instead of the will of man.
“YOU are JOSHUA! Let the Lord’s own enter the Promised Land under your guidance. Thanks and thanks in Jesus name. Amen.”
FATHER JOE
There must be a translation issue, for while I might associate Milingo with Luther; I would tag neither as “beloved” given their rebellion against the See of Peter and their arrogance to the Church’s teachings and disciplines. I am convinced that the errant Archbishop is not complying with God’s will, but rather is following another spirit entirely. He has undermined the sacrament of marriage by his “attempted marriage” before the false messiah Moon and any physical congress is equivalent to fornication. He takes his followers, not to the promised land of Jesus, but to the false kingdom of insurrection and dissent. Given his peculiar behavior, I have to wonder if the once famous exorcist is not now possessed by the very entities he once combatted. No thanks, is my response to his appeal, I remain with Peter and Christ, not with Milingo, Stallings or Luther!
FIDELIS
Let the Catholic faithful pray for all those who spread errors in the Catholic faith. This is unthinkable in Nigeria, and can never be supported by any of the Catholic faithful in Nigeria. Rome is the center of our faith, and we must obey the Church. Satan is at work, and we must rise up to stop the enemy from destroying the Church. May we all pray for our separated brethren— pray that they come back to the fold.
DAMIAN
Miligo is in great error— may God pardon him.
FATHER FANO (NGCOBO)
With the Archbishop Milingo saga, the whole of the African Continent is slowly but surely waking up from its theological slumber. Milingo is the kind of a bishop-theologian for which the Continent of Africa has been looking. We all know that Rome and her Fathers care much less about the Continent in all matters African. In this day and age to argue that the Roman Catholic Church has absolute truth in everything borders on ignorance and blind theological pride. Our Continent will never be the same with bishop-theologians such as Milingo and others.
FATHER JOE
Archbishop Milingo had an arranged marriage witnessed by the cult-leader Moon, and you would recommend his judgment? You are being silly. The poor man betrayed his promises to God and the Church. Indeed, Father Fano, so have you. You counted race as more important than membership in the true Church established by Christ.
You make much of your not being affiliated with Rome. Well, so be it, run away from the ROCK all you want, there really is nowhere else to go. I grieve for your parishioners. You feign Catholic Christianity and yet you are only a pernicious kind of Protestant, and one who would steal from the Roman Catholic flock. The Holy Father is the ultimate bishop-theologian, and he has begged for Archbishop Milingo to come back to his senses. He has prayed for him, too. For all we know, this renowned exorcist may have been snagged by some spiritual evil that went under the radar of his discernment. The truth of the Gospel is for all men. There is no African Church or American Church. There is only THE CHURCH in Africa or in America. The difference is important. You are nothing new. You have made yourself a would-be pope. Nationalist churches have long been on the scene and they all suffer from a narrow perspective. The Catholic Church is still growing in the Third World, despite your castigation against the good priests and religious who have ministered and even sacrificed their lives to bring the truth of the Gospel to the sheep needing a shepherd. You are NOT that shepherd. You should go back to your religious community and renew your promises. We do not need priests who chase women or the disobedient who are more wolf than shepherd.
FATHER FANO
For too long, both the Western and European theologians have sought to define us and to force us into the mold of their disciplines.
FATHER JOE
The Catholic faith allows for enculturation. However, the deposit of faith must be preserved. Discipline must be upheld. The answer is not separation or dissent. Rather, The Church in Africa is called to weave their stories and lives into that of the universal Christian faith. You cannot properly do this as a Catholic by rupturing your link to the See of unity established by Christ. You should not lie. The problem is that you, not Africans, YOU do not like to be told what to do. Poor priest, you should learn personal humility and absolute dedication to the teachings of the faith. A priest is not his own man. He belongs to the Church. You forgot that. Father Cutie defected to another faith community. You tried to start your own church. I regularly do penance for my faults; but priests like you refuse to kneel— will not submit— will not serve. There is way too much of Milton’s Satan about such fallen priests and too little of Christ.
FATHER FANO
The question is not whether the good Archbishop is excommunicated by the self-righteous Roman Catholic Institution – but the kind relevance or irrelevance the Roman Catholic Church is continually depicting in this day and age of the freedom to belong.
FATHER JOE
The Roman Catholic Church is the BRIDE OF CHRIST. She is holy because Christ is holy. Have you forgotten your first year theology about the marks of the Church? There is plenty of freedom, Father, but it can also be misused. This is behind the nature of sin, abusing our liberty and making the wrong choices, selecting apparent goods which are really evil or just not good for us. You call the Roman Catholic Church “self-righteous” because you have spurned her authority over you. If your judgment is wrong, and I am convinced this is the case, then the self-righteousness is yours. By seeking to justify yourself, you make justification from Christ impossible. You stand outside the community of salvation.
FATHER FANO
Surely, God is not identical to the Roman Catholic Church. God is God, period! So no matter whether one has membership in the Roman Catholic Church, Methodist Church, Zionist Church, etc. – is not an issue. What is vital is that one has a good relationship with his/her God.
FATHER JOE
Certainly, there is an identity between the Roman Catholic Church and the Mystical Body of Christ. In this sense, Christ shares his divinity by grace with the Church. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ and the visible head of Christ’s Church. Jesus is the invisible head. He extended his authority to Peter and promised to be with him until the final consummation. Like a good fundamentalist Protestant, you stress a PERSONAL relationship with God. And yet, while this is important, the Catholic stress upon a CORPORATE RELATIONSHIP with Christ is very much what the word “Catholic” or “Universal” is all about. Your little breakaway church and the few sects loosely affiliated with you cannot make this claim. Neither in scope nor in history can they represent the house Jesus built. We do not come to God alone. He has given us each other and the Magisterium (teaching authority) to preserve us in the truth. Yours would be capricious religion based upon human whim and African eccentricities and maybe burning loins. This is all too bad for you. I would want no part of it and most of Africa would agree with me.
FATHER FANO
There are more serious issues to address in the churches, as with racism and poverty.
FATHER JOE
Avoidance solves nothing. I am reminded of the pro-life fight. We often hear that there are other important issues. Well, it is true. But if I am a dead baby, I have no more issues. Similarly, when it comes to faith, we are dealing again with life, albeit eternal life. Should I really place social justice matters ahead of whether I will go to heaven or hell— and who I might take with me?
FATHER FANO
God bless the Archbishop!
FATHER JOE
Yes, and I pray every day that he will repent before it is too late.
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LINK: False Worship at John Paul II Cultural Center?
+MOST REV. RICHARD SAINT JOHN: (Fort Worth Texas USA)
You are insulting the legacy of St. John Paul the Great…
He did far more loving actions than the Bishop in the photo!!!!
Traditionalists of EXTREMEISM are being used by demonic forces as LIBERALIST…
The darkness will use ANY vehicle, even PIOUSness to wound the DIVINE HEART of JESUS…
WATCH OUT PEOPLE!!!!
FATHER JOE:
Bishop Kevin Vann is the genuine Bishop of Fort Worth, Texas. You sir, are an imposter!
The post here was never meant to tarnish the late Pope’s reputation. The problem is that mistakes have sometimes been made that cannot be easily excused. Christians can have no part in pagan prayer and worship. That is the long and short of it.
This so-called “bishop” feels differently, Bishop Richard St. John is a faker. Posting here under the guise of a Catholic bishop shows the depth of his deceit. He is nothing of the kind!
Who is he?
He writes this at an interfaith site:
His defective apostolic pedigree…
“We have a lot in common. I was communicating with the U.G.C. (Universal Gnostic) but I haven’t the cash to take all the lessons. We both are bishops from +Lewis K. who I’ve known for many years. I also know some other Gnostic Prelates: +Hoeller and +Rosamonde Miller. I also have been a Bishop in +Michael Bertiauxs Church.”
His heretical Gnosticism and occult involvement…
“I’m more on the “catholic side” of Gnosticism. I love comparative religion, metaphysics, shamanism, Wicca, and psychic development.”
He is unemployed but should go out and get a job…
“At this time I don’t have an active pastoral ministry or sacramental apostolate.”
He sits around all day and plays on the computer…
“I enjoy e-mail or snail mail with other kindred souls who Spirit brings upon my path.”
He is very gay…
“I’m going through a lot of changes right now regarding work etc. I’m a single gay guy, who is a Super-Uncle of my sis: 5 kids and one great-niece!!!”
He uses the Wiccan closure…
“Blessed Be.”
What does the utterly heretical Universal Gnostic Church says about itself and him? He is aligned with an occult group that calls itself the Universal Gnostic Fellowship. It claims to trace its apostolic lineage not simply to Jesus but to Adam. They claim their holy orders were initiated by a host of Gnostic masters, including Mary Magdalene. While they claim a doctrine of the one, it is really a form of pantheism where everything is seen as divine. They argue that Old Testament prophets and Christ were occult shamans or witch-doctors. They reject all other doctrines. This group is not really even Christian, but is pagan in nature. Instead of a unique creation, they claim that all people are merely fractured bits and pieces of the divine. They repudiate, absolutely, the following teachings: “original sin, damnation, hellfire, virgin birth, tithing, and “others whose purpose is to subjugate the masses for the benefit the priesthood.” They subscribe to a long list of sacraments, some quite peculiar and others redefined, like “Child birthing, Naming, Coming of Age, Initiation, Manhood, Womanhood, Handfasting, Exorcism, Elderhood, and Burial of the Dead.”
They impose their counterfeit ministries upon the Ordinate and the Episcopate. Ordination to the Ordinate is conferred upon qualified candidates regardless of age, class, race, color, religious preference, creed, gender or sexual orientation. Just as we apparently saw at the JPII Center, they suffer from a chronic syncretism with deacons, ministers, priests, rabbis, swamis, canons, deacons, deans, deaconesses, and priestesses.
WE SHOULD INDEED BE ALERT, THIS MAN IS NO BISHOP AND APPARENTLY NOT A CHRISTIAN! HE IS PLAYING AT BISHOP AND WOULD LEAD SIMPLE PEOPLE ASTRAY! IF HE WAS EVER A CHRISTIAN, HE IS NOW A GENUINE HERETIC! THERE IS NO GENTLE WAY TO RESPOND TO HIS COMMENT.
+MOST REV. RICHARD SAINT JOHN:
Father Joe, I AM NOT nor EVER said I was the ROMAN Bishop of Fort Worth or anywhere…. I am not an imposter/fake or phony anything. I am one of the most honest/kind/loving/sweet-natured/unselfish people you could EVER meet. I AM in Fort Worth, born here. I AM a valid consecrated prelate in the apostolic succession (from Roman-Greek-Russian-Coptic-Armenian-Melkite-Atiochian-Anglican-Utrech). The Holy See/Holy Father whom I revere, upon studying/knowing of me would 100% respect me as a real/valid/legitimate apostolic bishop…..PERIOD! Our Divine Lord said not to bear false witness so you either read into my email what you humanly wanted (no sin) or you sinned against the Holy Ghost against my holy orders…. mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!
NOT ROMAN— with all humility and reverence to His Holiness Benedict 16, Supreme Pontiff.
FATHER JOE:
You sir, in my reckoning are not even a true Christian. That makes any claim to being a bishop a sham. Note that you speak of yourself as “the most honest/kind/loving/sweet-natured/unselfish people you could EVER meet.” Ah, evidently humility is NOT one of your virtues, either. The Church you describe does not really exist; it is a bogus as you are. Pope John Paul II would have nothing to do with you. Indeed, from the way you express yourself, I am becoming concerned that you might not be quite well. If you had “all” humility and reverence to the Pope, you would put away your charade and seek membership in the Catholic faith. As things stand, you are not Roman, not Catholic, not Christian, and not a true bishop. You belong to an occult sect that only masquerades as Christian. Even genuine Orthodox churches do not recognize you or your so-called apostolic orders. I will try not to laugh. I will offer prayer for your healing instead.
+MOST REV. RICHARD SAINT JOHN:
Reverend Father, I posted via your reply without having scrolled down to read all you said.
John Paul received the marking on the forehead of Shiva in India (PHOTO on INTERNET).
John Paul KISSED the KORAN!!!
John Paul received the blessing of VOUDON PRIESTS or Hougans in AFRICA.
JOHN PAUL let Dali Lama priests put statue of BUDDAH on the TABERNACLE in ASSISI.
I AM NOT ROMAN CATHOLIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would NEVER disrespect your priesthood!!!
YOU pulled a FBI search on me like a Gestapo Nazi.
I AM not unemployed… thank you!
I have a real job and work my ass off!
I don’t use my holy orders to put a roof over my head.
I live in the REAL WORLD, not a damn rectory with a pious Irish lady cleaning my undies.
I AM a CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN. I profess in “humiltas” the Blessed Trinity and The DIVINITY OF JESUS CHRIST ONLY. I respect other faiths… you don’t! JOHN PAUL did. I AM GAY….so are thousands of Roman laity, priests, religious, bishops, cardinals and many popes (some were adulterous murderous [deleted] AND STRAIGHT!!!!) You can insult me, slander me, and hate me; but you have INSULTED THE HOLY GHOST— Third Person of The Divine and Blessed TRINITY. You have insulted the dignity of my holy order’s witch have nothing to do with so-called heresy/personal sin/lack of JOB. YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING about ME. You jumped in the cesspool of SATAN and drank it up. YOU ARE A REAL PRIEST but as a human you have shown your feet of clay! Oh how Glorious the Precious Blood of Our Divine Lord Incarnate on Calvary that froggives ME and YOU. May the Divine Mercy heal your HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! St. Therese the Little Flower, “ora pro nobis.” St. Padre Pio, “ora pro nobis.” Sancta Maria Mater Dei, “ora pro nobis.” Saint John Paul, “ora pro nobis.” + Richard Saint John baptized Roman with reverence to His Holiness Benedict.
FATHER JOE:
Actually, Pope John Paul II was very compassionate to those who should have been disciplined for making liturgical blunders. The bird poop was an error not orchestrated. The Koran kiss was honor to the givers, not to the gift. The pagan priests gave a blessing on their own initiative. The Buddha statue was a disgrace that Cardinal Ratzinger (now the Pope) was quite upset about in Assisi. No one wanted to give offence, but the idol should have been thrown to the grown and crushed underfoot.
What FBI search? You are being paranoid. Everything I posted, you have already shared “yourself” on the Internet! You say you do not disrespect my priesthood but you call me a Nazi and make up a fictional cleaning woman in my rectory. I wash my own clothes at Holy Spirit! And by the way, being a REAL priest is being in the REAL world. You are a weekend bishop who treats religion like a hobby. You are into the occult and cannot claim to be a true Christian or Catholic. Ours is a jealous God. You cannot worship the idols of demons and honor Jesus.
You more than respect other faiths— you fully embrace them, no matter how incompatible with Christianity.
Like so many active gays you cannot speak about your disorientation without a vulgar slur.
I see a contradiction here. You speak of your “holy order’s witch” but contend that I am the one who has blasphemed against the Holy Spirit. Pleeease, I do not know what “spirit” moves you, but it is not the Advocate sent by Christ!
All I know about you is what you broadcast to the world, and in that respect, the “cesspool of Satan” is yours.
May your “frog” give you forgiveness, but I prefer my reconciliation with God. I suspect the saints pity you.
+MOST REV. RICHARD SAINT JOHN:
I LIVE in FORT WORTH….THANK YOU— BORN HERE, WORK HERE AND my ADDRESS is SUNSET ROAD, FORT WORTH. GET YOUR FACTS OF HATRED STRAIGHT! LYING/FALSE WITNESS is A MORTAL SIN! (St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism) MEA CULPA, MEA CULPA, MEA MAXIMA CULPA— ohhhh if you’re a post Vat. 2 Kumbaya-Priest, that means “through my fault, through my fault, through my grievous fault!!!!!!” That bishop of the Roman diocese has a priest at my baptismal parish that is more liberal than me. I’ve gone to his Mass (MESS) and wanted to cry cause of what’s going on there ain’t no HOLY SACRIFICE of the MASS. SO GO THROW STONES in your own Roman backyard, padre!
FATHER JOE: Without real holy orders any celebration you give is no Eucharist. Even a liberal priest with the right intention can say Mass and forgive sins. You cannot do this much. You are just playing dress-up. As for the facts, I simply posted what you told everyone.
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Fr. Kenneth Roberts is a priest of the Diocese of Dallas, Texas who has been suspended from ministry and also had incurred restrictions (such as not being able to wear clerical garb and from presenting himself as a priest in good standing). He is supposedly living in the Archdiocese of Cincinnati and had allegedly been celebrating home Masses and associating with children and teenagers in violation of his suspension and earlier restrictions.
Father Roberts was suspended back in 1998. He is well remembered for his books, tapes, appearances on EWTN, retreats, and support for the Medjugorje apparitions and messages. I have remarked before about the tragedy of the author of PLAYBOY TO PRIEST.
See also: FALLEN TV PRIESTS
Discussion about Father Roberts
JOE:
It is my understanding that the sad case of Ken Roberts is being referred to the Holy See. He is to be laicized.
FATHER JOE:
In addition to the issue of purported abuse of youth, Father Roberts was evidently disobedient to his bishop about several matters of discipline, including the continued wearing of clerics and putting himself forward as a priest in good standing.
ANNE:
Please PRAY for priests— the priests who have left and who have had other things happen to them— they are being tempted by the DEVIL. Remember him? I believe that a priest like Fr. Kenneth Roberts is suffering just that. Pray that you do not experience any of this demoralization.
FATHER JOE:
I do not doubt a demonic influence, but he could still have chosen to resist such a terrible sin. There is nothing that gives Satan more glee than a so-called “healing” priest who is himself convicted of mortal sin. I know he has his defenders, but other than the matter of possibly molesting a child, we know for a fact that he disobeyed his bishop… and that for a priest constitutes serious sin. Yes, we need to pray for him and all priests… and for victims.
WI CATHOLIC:
Having really liked what I knew of Fr. Roberts, this adds to my grief. I grieved to hear the news when it happened awhile ago, and this adds to that grief. Obedience, according to many saints, is the first step toward holiness. May the Lord have mercy on him.
SEAN:
I met Fr. Ken Roberts in 1993 while in Medjugorje. I found him a wonderful priest and very approachable. I was very saddened to hear of his present situation. I live in Ireland where he is not well known so it is difficult to get information about him. I can only pray for him in the hope that the truth will come out….whatever that will be. This is neither accepting nor rejecting the allegations.
PATRICK:
I was curious about what happen to Fr. Ken Roberts. I will keep him in my prayers.
I met Fr. Ken in a religious book store, when he was in Detroit visiting friends. I thought it was a coincidence, because I had just read his book and was searching for truth (I consider myself a “cradle”/ “convert” Catholic). He invited me to the residence where he was staying for evening Mass. I went there that evening and found him to be a really nice person.
Not all the people there were Catholics; many were Baptist. There were many children as well, all crammed into this house where Fr Ken Roberts was to perform Mass. I will never forget that Mass. Fr. Ken took the time to explain each part of the Mass from beginning to end. He made it so interesting, that even the children were glued to what he was saying, because he would talk to the adults and then the children in their own language. I will never forget how many people talked about converting afterwards and how they misunderstood Catholic teaching. I hope the best for him and will keep him in my prayers.
ANNE:
I have written several times to see if there were any news on Fr. K. Roberts. It seems that no one knows or cares. I still believe in him despite all the remarks made about him. I pray for him every night and I’m not sure if he is alive or dead. Is there no way you can find out? Or perhaps you just don’t want to find out?
JOHN P. BERTOLUCCI:
FATHER JOE, I PRAISE GOD YOU ARE STILL IN GOOD STANDING.
PERSEVERE IN THAT MANNER AND HUNGER AND THIRST FOR HOLINESS. I AM A “CHARTERED/RETIRED” PRIEST AND I STILL HUNGER AND THIRST FOR HOLINESS. THERE ARE MANY OF US, PERHAPS IN THE THOUSANDS WHO ARE LIKEWISE.
WE REACH OUT TO OUR WOUNDED BROTHERS TO ENCOURAGE THEM, NOT IN DISOBEDIENCE TO THE CHURCH, BUT IN OBEDIENCE TO THEIR BISHOPS, THE POPE AND MOST OF ALL JESUS CHRIST. THEY AND WE ARE STILL PRIESTS BECAUSE OF THE INDELIBLE AND IRREVOCABLE COVENANT MADE WITH OUR GREAT HIGH PRIEST THRU ORDINATION. WE ARE PENITENTS, MAKING AMENDS FOR OUR SINS AND PRAYING FOR THOSE WE HAVE SINNED AGAINST.
WE WISH TO FIND KEN ROBERTS. CAN YOU HELP US?
SINCERELY, YOUR BROTHER,
JOHN PATRICK
FATHER JOE:
You are very much in my prayers. My email address is frjoe2000@yahoo.com. I wish I could help you about Father Roberts, but despite rumors I have no recent information about his whereabouts. If I hear anything I will email it to you.
MIKEY:
Greetings from Malaysia,
I happened to Google on Fr. Ken Roberts and came across this page. I met him in 1988 at a time when I was suffering depression as a returning foreign student in Colorado. Fr. Ken had led me to back to Catholicism via the Holy Rosary and Our Lady.
In 1990, I backpacked Europe as a pilgrimage from Denver to London, Paris, Lourdes, Rome, Assisi, Loreto and ending up with what was supposed to be 10 days in Medjugorje; it ended up being a month. There by chance I bumped again into Fr. Ken by surprise on a ferry from Ancona across the Adriatic Sea.
His fall is mighty sad news to me as I continue to pray and seek God’s wisdom. He is such an amazing individual. I continue to use his books for my work with youth and the Catechism.
All judgments and opinions will pass as I continue to focus on Our Lady who leads me to Jesus and The Holy Trinity. I would very much like to contact Fr. Ken too as we continue to pray for all.
Peace and Love, Mikey (Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia)
DONALD:
My wife and I know Father Roberts personally. We have been at his retreats and talks, and know of his travels with St. Louis’ youth to Medjugorje. His teachings have changed our lives and that of the many people to whom we have given his books and tapes. We even paid for him to come to a parish in Sterling, Illinois to talk to the people here. Isn’t it strange that a layman can sin seriously and still help in Jesus’ work and not be censured?
He told us at a couple’s retreat in Belleville, Illinois that he talked to a high school in Clayton, MO. where the teachers from a Catholic School took their classes out of the auditorium when he talked about sin. They did this when he talked about the things I learned in High School. I am 77 years old and my kids were led out of the Church by the crazy liberal teachings of priests at our high school. My second son was led out of the Church by the Jesuits at St. Louis University. I know that if Farther Ken committed a sexual sin with a youth it is a terrible thing. But what about the sins of false teachers that caused 3 of my 5 kids to leave the Church? Sin is sin.
ANNE:
You say that you have no knowledge of the whereabouts of Fr. Roberts. Gee, even prisoners get visitors. It seems the Church or YOU are being very unfair to this man and to his public who are very positive about him. I’m on the verge of contacting all the dioceses in that area to see if I can find him. I guess I am just Christian. You know Fr. Joe; his sins won’t rub off on you (if he has some).
FATHER JOE:
I don’t know what you are talking about. It is not my job to trace the whereabouts of retired or deposed clergy. We can pray for him. Maybe it is best to leave it at that? As far as I know he is free and living his own life.
SEAN:
As already mentioned in my previous comment, I am sorry to hear about the allegations against Fr. Ken. I am living in Ireland and did not hear about him. I was visiting friends in America recently and they said they had heard that Fr. Ken may have taken kids to movies that were inappropriate (by this I mean that contained mild sexual scenes and were age inappropriate). If you combine this with his drinking problems, I am not surprised he has gotten into trouble. I will pray for him.
RICH:
I am writing in response to what I’ve read and heard about Fr. Ken Roberts. This man, I believe, is a very good Catholic. Think back to the time he was accused; people were coming out of the woodwork making allegations against priests, Many were in search of money from the Church.
I truly feel sorry and pray for true victims of abuse by priests. These men committing such terrible acts behind the collar of a holy man will be dealt with by God. As it says in the Bible, better a millstone be hung around their necks and thrown into the sea then to harm a hair on the head of any of these little ones.
However, many good priests were suffering from false accusations and guilt by association in our society for just being who they are.
Father Ken Roberts is a very holy man. He bought many people into the Church with his powerful talks about the Church and its beliefs. The secular anti-Christian media had a field day I’m sure seeing the allegations on such a strong Church defender and advocate, and his removal from the air-waves.
Father Robert’s teachings on EWTN brought me fully into understanding the Church and helped me at a time (my teenaged and young adult years) when I needed an anchor in the storm. I will be forever grateful to EWTN and to him for being God’s messenger for me.
I truly believe the devil and his secular anti-Catholic partners had a hand in this, and remember the words of Jesus, “LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.” God bless you all.
FATHER JOE:
When I first heard about the charges a few years ago, my sentiments were very similar to yours. This man did so much good, how could one who professed such a wonderful and orthodox faith possibly be guilty of such crimes? I am still perplexed by it. But there are negative factors that cannot be ignored:
First, there have been multiple incidents and charges. There are at least seven known (purported) victims. One might be faked but when there is a history and accusers line up, it becomes harder to argue innocence. Ordained in the mid-1960’s, there was an early charge of child molestation. He was moved to a church in Garland, Texas, but more problems there resulted in his removal. He was sent to St. Louis for psychiatric treatment. In 1989, there was an incident with a boy in Peoria, Illinois. Sent to St. Louis, he got into difficulties again and the diocese made a monetary settlement about a boy in 1994.
Second, Fr. Roberts was given talks, retreats, days of recollection, pilgrimages to Medjugorie and hosted EWTN programs, even after he had been restricted in his faculties and told not to dress as a priest. Bishop Grahmann in 1995 pushed Father Roberts into medical retirement. The Dallas diocese had to put out a $30,000 settlement. Although he was told to end all public ministries, including his Internet presence, and in 1998 was formally suspended, he resisted his orders. This shocks me as much as the charges; I would have thought it unbelievable that such an incredible priest would be disobedient.
Pray for the victims and, YES, pray for Father Roberts. The monitum from the U.S. bishops warns us that he might be saying home-Masses and working under another name. These Masses are illicit. The last I heard he was in Cincinnati.
JUDY:
Because of this week’s Illinois Supreme Court decision, it appears that Fr. Ken Roberts will walk free where he now lives in Cincinnati. This is very troubling to me, for kids are not safe. The Supreme Court of Illinois Opinion was filed on September 24, 2009. The background information is what needs to be read:
If anyone has been sexually abused by this priest, please contact law enforcement and get help.
Thank You, Judy Jones SNAP Director Ohio Valley
snapsteubenville@gmail.com
LINDA:
Is Father Kenneth still in Cincinnati? Is he still alive? I would like to meet him. I have read everything he has written. May God have mercy on us all.
PETER:
I did my initial priestly training with Ken Roberts in London, and we became good friends at that time, though lost touch when we went to major seminaries.
I was enormously saddened to read the news. Ken may have sinned at times when the flesh became stronger than the spirit, but he was basically a good man and was a good friend to me in the early 60’s.
DESIANNE:
I was heartbroken when I found out about Fr. Ken Roberts. He seemed to be so sensible and I made it a point to watch EWTN whenever he was on.
What in the world is going on within the Catholic Church? I feel betrayed and deceived. All these pedophile priests, yet they preach about the evils of things like birth control and pre-marital sex. It is hypocritical, to say the least.
However, I will always remember Fr. Roberts, and my prayers are with him; if he’s guilty of the charges, then he’s sick and needs help right away. God have mercy on him.
KONDO:
Why is it that priests who are powerful and inspirational, gifted in the ability to communicate and energize people, are suddenly accused of something? Is it a coincidence? The very thing that is hurting our Church from reaching its potential (preventing it to grow) is deeply rooted within our “higher-ups” of the Catholic Church! The truth WILL come out. Fr. Roberts will be cleared of all lies of which he is accused. He, like so many others, is surrounded by a cloud of evil. I invite all who read these messages to pray for that cloud to be destroyed and the truth revealed. We, as a people, need religious leaders like Fr. Roberts to teach us and to motivate us to follow our Lord and His call for us. There is power in prayer!
FATHER JOE:
The truth may not be what we want it to be. Those who made the charges seemed extremely credible. Families very close to him were hurt. Apparent victims are still suffering. It appears that initially there was reluctance on his part to abide by the restrictions put in place by his bishop. However, he was obliged to be obedient. This also hurts his case. I read his book, FROM PLAYBOY TO PRIEST, when I was a boy and it got me thinking about the priesthood. Part of me also has trouble believing that a man who taught so beautifully about the faith could have had such a monstrous dark side; but it does happen, as in other cases that fooled us. We need to pray for everyone involved. As for the priest, if the allegations are true, he should spend the remaining years of his life doing penance for the harm done to persons and to the Church. He is elderly and will soon see God. Hypocrisy often dismantles much of the good that is done and legacies are lost. His books will no longer be published. I was also told that the masters to his tapes and videos have been largely destroyed.
KONDO:
The destruction of his books and tapes may be true, but the impact that his message has made in so many will never be destroyed. THAT is what is driving this conspiracy to disarm him of what he excelled in the most— the power of communication. I met him, traveled with him and there is NO way these allegations are true. Some higher ups in our Church have obviously felt threatened by his popularity and success. They have given in to their own jealousy and chosen to shut him down instead of rising up to his level. This, unfortunately, was not the first time this was done to a popular priest in our Church. As I said before, the truth WILL come out and Fr. Roberts will be cleared. Justice will prevail in this life or the next. For the sake of those who are behind this conspiracy, I hope it will be in this one.
SHERYL:
I reserve judgment on Fr. Ken Roberts. I thought he was excellent on EWTN but as for his personal life— who really knows? I do not, however, believe in ANY of the so-called apparitions of Mary. They are just a bunch of superstitious wannabe visions by some over-zealous fanatics. The over-adoration of Mary is a glaringly obvious example of idolatry, yet Catholics continue to sugarcoat it with the term “honor.”
FATHER JOE:
I am not sure what to make of you. How can you say that Father Roberts was excellent on EWTN and then in the next breath speak detraction against the Blessed Mother? He was always talking about Mary and offering intercessory prayer to her. While he may have had serious personal faults, his teachings of the faith and his overall “external” devotion to Mary were excellent. I am not sure about Medjugorje either, but you would have done better to focus more on content and less on style. Veneration or honor is not divine worship. All true worship and prayer finds its principal object in Almighty God. There is no idolatry. This is Catholic doctrine. Catholics believe in spiritual and/or invisible realities. Be careful that your prejudice against Mary and Catholic faith does not slide you into a kind of atheism that regards all theism as superstition. I suspect that you would have labeled the apostles as fanatics in that they put aside all to follow Jesus. Our Lord said that he would have us on fire for the kingdom.
CLIFF:
Approximately seven years ago I traveled back to my home town of Cincinnati, and was accompanied by a co-worker who is Orthodox. I wanted my friend George to see the Our Lady of the Holy Spirit Center, formerly known as Mount Saint Mary of the West Seminary in Norwood, Ohio. On previous visits, I had picked up audio tapes of Father Ken Roberts, and was taken at how powerful a preacher he was. On this particular visit we arrived late in the evening but the doors were still open. As we walked the halls, I asked a janitor if the library was open. He said no, it had closed. I took a second look, and recognized him as Father Ken Roberts. We chatted for almost an hour, and he was as thrilling to listen to now as he was in those tapes from EWTN and the Merv Griffin show. I had heard though the grapevine that he no longer had faculties, so I did not question his civilian attire. God bless him and every priest who has been called, and may those who have been tempted by any means find forgiveness and peace.
CINAED:
It is my considered belief that Fr. Roberts has been suspended not because of the accusations of child molestation, though those are the official charges, but because he publicly lauded the Society of St. Pius X and other traditional groups in following the traditions of the Church. Shortly after that, he was removed from public life as priest— just a coincidence? I think not.
FATHER JOE:
Sorry, but the suspension from his bishop was spelled out and clear. It was because of alleged misconduct. The Society of SPX played no part in the matter.
ED:
Does anyone know his whereabouts or status as of 2011? I was a student and parishioner at the parish he was at in the 1980’s. I haven’t seen him in well over 20 years. Thanks!
FATHER JOE:
I have no clue, sorry.
CHUCK:
I think Satan ruined this good priest, because he had great impact, same with Medjugorje. I reserve all judgments unto God, not men.
ROB:
I don’t know exactly what Fr. Ken did but I’ll pray for him and all priests who have done wrong, whatever that may be. We, non-priests and priests, have to strive for holiness. What that means is that we have to love God with all our heart, mind and soul and love our neighbor. If we lose sight of this, WE, non-priests and priests, will fall flat on our faces and commit all sorts of sins.
Of course, we cannot love God and our neighbor as we should if we are not sincere about living up to our calling to love and not to count the cost. Love your wife, love your children, love your husband, love your boss, love your enemy, love your superiors, love Jesus, and love the Church. I’m not talking about blind love but real love, the one that Jesus taught us. By living this way we will be holy and God’s light, truth, love, wisdom and beauty will remain with us.
Let’s challenge ourselves to be holy and then WE, non-priests and priests, will be loved by God and our neighbor alike. God Bless, Rob (a seminarian and future priest)
SOPHIE:
I have just read Fr. Ken Roberts book, “Playboy to Priest,” and I believe that it is one of the most important books I have ever read. I feel it is a gift from God to the Catholic Church. I am so saddened to hear that it is no longer in circulation.
I wanted to find Father Roberts, hoping that he was still alive. It is devastating to hear what has happened to him. Even worse, it is hard to hear how he has been crucified and cast out to be dammed for all eternity by the very Christians who should show an example of God’s forgiveness and the redeeming grace of his love.
Jesus said “ye who is without sin, cast the first stone.” Well they cast the first stone all right— they crucified him— as Father Roberts is now being crucified. I believe Father Roberts is truly loved of God, which is why he has been given this cross. I will not judge him for his sin because only God knows the truth of it. Satan only attacks those who are a threat to him. Temptation has always been his most powerful tool against the flesh.
What I will say is that today the Roman Catholic Church and all Christianity is under tremendous attack. We need revolutionaries like Father Ken Roberts to wake us up to the reality of what we face. People are losing their faith; we are dealing with radical atheism in an increasingly secular and materialistic world. Pope Benedict recently warned that society has lost its moral compass and is in a state of moral relativism.
“All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” If Father Ken is guilty of what he has been accused of, I forgive him. I pray that his victims can find peace in forgiveness; I know that God has already forgiven him. Only then can we recognize the good that he has done and can still continue to do. I would love to know how he is, and what he is up to now. God Bless!
JOAN:
I would love to know where Fr. Ken Roberts is now. I still have so many of his tapes and I love listening to them. I can’t imagine him doing anything so bad as to not be able to be a priest anymore.
FATHER JOE:
He will always be a priest although he cannot function in public. His witness has been terribly harmed by the scandal and it is my understanding that much of the audio and video have been destroyed. I was a big fan of his YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT program on EWTN. It was a wonderful show. Unfortunately I never made a copy. I share your pain about this. People trusted and loved him. One of the victims shared his sense of betrayal and pain. I weep for all those hurt and for the Church.
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Bishop Seeks to Change No-Marriage Rule
By WILLIAM C. MANN
The Associated PressWednesday, July 12, 2006WASHINGTON — Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo, whose 2001 marriage caused an international scandal within the Roman Catholic Church, set out on a new mission Wednesday to override church rules and let married priests continue their ministries. / The Zambian archbishop said he was championing the cause of married priests even before his marriage, but his new goal is to end the church’s celibacy rule.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/12/AR2006071201616.html

[Here is Archbishop Milingo on the left] He begged married priests to “come out of their Catholic prisons and be reinstated, taking once more their pastoral responsibility among the married priests.” He continued: “To those priests who may feel that by marrying they have stepped down or fallen short, unleash your burden of humiliation, exclusivity and shame. Come among your fellow `sinners,’ so considered, who were to be branded, and to be forgotten forever as weaklings.”
Archbishop Milingo was taken aside by Church officials and the late Pope John Paul II interceded to pursuade him to return to the fold and renounce the marriage, which he did four months
later in August 2001. The attempted marriage had been conducted by Rev. Sun Myung Moon (Unification Church) and the woman was a South Korean, Maria Sung. Unsure of his stability, he remained in seclusion for a year in Argentina. His supposed wife from the arranged marriage complained bitterly about the situation. Archbishop George Augustus Stallings, chief primate of his own independent African American Catholic congregation (Imani Temple, 1989) also married an Asian woman at the ceremony. He hosted the press conference yesterday, Wednesday, July 12. [See Bishop Stallings here on the right and Archbishop Milingo below]

Now, Archbishop Milingo (76 years old) has gone over the deep end again and is back with Maria Sung. Like other dissenters, he refuses to leave the Church, desiring instead to force her to change. “My position is very clear in my understanding of my ordination by the church. Once a priest, always a priest. Even though a priest can renounce his vows and be defrocked by the church, the church avows that he always remains a priest.”

[Here above is Bishop Stallings with his wife.] The archbishop said there are some 150,000 married priests around the world and about 20,000 in the U.S. who should be returned to ministry.
Here is the text of Archbishop Milingo’s speech at the Washington Press Club:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
We are dealing with a very serious matter that has affected the Catholic Church for many years. In the last 35 years since the International Catholic Synod of Bishops in 1971, the struggles surrounding celibacy have worsened. If in 1971, the church listened to the appeals of Bishops to offer celibacy as an option to those who would bind themselves to it for their entire lives, but let those called to be ordained priests, yet married, to fulfill their calling, then today we would not be harvesting straw instead of divine graces.
The seriousness of the matter was emphasized once again when the US Bishops raised the issue as we entered this third millennium. Once more the authorities in the Vatican waved it off, to the detriment of the church in USA and around the world.
Married priesthood has existed as early as the time of Moses, as we read in Leviticus that they were all married, the family of the High priest Aaron. Some argue that what was demanded in that priesthood was merely a legal purity. But when God demanded sanctity as a sign of being intimate with Him, this injunction of sanctity was still more applicable to priests: “Be holy, because I, your Lord, am holy.” Sanctity or holiness is the first requirement of any priesthood, married or celibate.
The Apostles ordained priests and bishops, regardless of their marital status. St. Paul ordained Timothy and consecrated him to Bishopric. He ordained the first Bishop of the Island of Malta, who was a married man. As St. Paul said to Timothy, the one condition he imposed upon a Bishop was to marry only once.“A Bishop must be irreproachable, married only once, temperate, self controlled, decent, hospitable,, able to teach, not a drunkard, not aggressive, but gentle, not contentious, not a lover of money.” (Timothy 3:2-3)
Some people will be surprised to hear of what became of Zacchaeus, the short man whom Jesus called down from a sycamore tree and then visited his house. He truly was converted with his whole family, and ended being consecrated Bishop of Caesarea Philippi. (History of the Church: Venturi).
Jesus shared fully with all his apostles, both married and non-married, all that was required to be an Apostle. He did not show favoritism to any of them. Even as He gave them responsibilities, He looked to each one’s capacity, and relied on each of them. The question of celibacy was not His preoccupation. I think that the demands presented by St. Paul to a candidate to Bishopric are more than sufficient for the life of a Bishop. Looking back to priesthood from which rank a Bishop comes the same demands are applied to the priesthood.
We hereby appeal to those Bishops who have been sent to the monasteries, condemned forever, never to appear any more to their faithful. Let them come out of their Catholic prisons and be reinstated, taking once more their pastoral responsibility among the married priests. Please let us know where you are, be in contact with us.
To those priests who may feel that by marrying they have stepped down or fallen short, unleash your burden of humiliation, exclusivity, and shame. Come among your fellow “sinners,” so considered, who were to be branded, and to be forgotten forever as weaklings. Come in, but never come with lamentations. Your burden has been loaded off, you come light, released from any weight of sinfulness. Become a Magdalene, a Paul, a Peter or Augustine, or one of the many others who never looked back to their struggling past. They all became outstanding saints, in spite of their former weaknesses.
To our beloved “Mother Church,” we beseech you to open your arms to these prodigal children who have longed to return home and have so much to offer. There is no more important healing than the reconciliation of 150,000 married priests with the Mother Church, and the healing of a Church in crisis through the renewing of marriage and family. The Church has nothing to lose by allowing priests the option to marry. Historically, out of holy marriages have come priests, popes, saints, and loving servants of God and the Church.
It is out of our love for our Faith and deep concern for its future that we proclaim this day, the end of mandatory celibacy, and the option for priests to sanctify the family as it was intended in the Garden of Eden, even as they fulfill their calling and ordination.
Sponsored by Stalling’s AACC, the archbishop is going to spend six months traveling the U.S. spreading his dissent and witnessing to his breech of promises made to God and to the Church. He is a disgrace and proof that the Church must be more careful in the future about who is made bishop.
Archbishop Milingo goes every which-a-way. He made promises of perpetual celibacy and obedience. Then he broke them and attempted marriage, making a promise he was not entitled to keep to a woman. Shortly thereafter, he put her aside and reaffirmed his promise of celibacy and pledged obedience to the Holy Father. [See the statement below] Now, he has renounced his promises to God and the Church again and has returned to his so-called spouse. What they might do in bed is not something about which I would speculate; however, he has joined himself to heretics and in Stallings, an excommunicated priest who likes to masquerade as a bishop or patriarch (his own pope)!

Maverick Archbishop Weds in Manhattan
http://www.wewillstand.org/media/20010528.htm
Vatican Regrets Marriage of Bishop Milingo
http://www.cathnews.com/news/105/128.html
Married Archbishop Back to Work
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2482321.stm
Media Coverage of Archbishop Milingo
http://www.archbishopmilingo.org/media_coverage.htm
Married Archbishop Decalres New Ministry
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060712-110557-8071r.htm
Rome Exorcist says Archbishop Milingo Brainwashed
http://www.fatima.org/news/newsviews/amorth.asp
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Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo (of Zambia) was excommunicated on Tuesday, September 26 by the Vatican for his break with the Church in celebrating an unauthorized episcopal ordination and/or installation. He was already in trouble for an “attempted” marriage to Marie Sung, a Korean acupuncturist (which took place in 2001). I say “attempted” because marriages that break the rules in the Catholic Church are considered null-and-void. He is only feigning marriage and any sexual activity is fornication. He reconciled with the Church, claimed he was brainwashed, and then left again.
He used to perform unauthorised exorcisms and large scale healing services. He was known for being flamboyent and outspoken. But it looks like the Catholic Church will have the final word. This week he participated with George, wannabee Pope, Stallings in the installation of four men as bishops. His campaign, called MARRIED PRIESTS NOW! seeks to end compulsory celibacy for priests. It has been at least 20 years since such a highly ranked clergyman has been excommunicated.
The Vatican described the archbishop as “spreading division and confusion among the faithful,” and so censure was necessary and we need to pray fervently for healing and fidelity during “these moments of ecclesiastical suffering.” The archbishop was guilty of “irregularity and of progressively open rupture of communion with the Church.” Both Milingo and Stallings were participants of the mass wedding celebrated by Rev. Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church in New York back in 2001. Moon picked out Asian women for both men.
Susan Gibbs, spokeswoman for the Archdiocese of Washington, said Archbishop Milingo’s actions in attempting to name bishops without Vatican approval were “clearly illicit.” (Unfortunately, this does not mean that the bishops are necessarily “invalid”!) The event took place on Sunday at the Imani Temple on Capitol Hill, which is operated by pseudo-Archbishop George Augustus Stallings Jr., a former Catholic priest who defected back in 1989. Stallings must have had some concern or doubt about his own episcopal orders because he was one of the men consecrated by Archbishop Milingo. The others were Peter Paul Brennan of New York; Patrick Trujillo of Newark, N.J.; and Joseph Gouthro of Las Vegas.
Some have suggested that Milingo is demon-possessed. Back in the 1970’s his healing services were so wild that he was warned by Rome. He incorporated local customs and it was said that his rituals resembled voodooism. He was told to stop but refused. Ordered to Rome in 1983, he continued his bizarre ministry and became a celebrity drawing thousands to services and for exorcisms. Now he suffers from automatic “latae sententiae” excommunication for participation in unauthorised ordinations.
It is all just too sad. Note that while the various News services assert in headlines that the Vatican excommunicated him, the truth be said, he did it to himself. All that Rome is doing is declaring the obvious, stating a fact to insure that faithful Catholics are not fooled into thinking Archbishop Milingo and his cronies are in good standing.
WASH POST: Milingo Excommunicated By Vatican
Below is a Spanish parody of the issue, not recommended for everyone, okay, maybe not recommended for anyone! I thought Spain was more respectful of the Church. You have been warned:
DISCUSSION
JOHN PAT:
A tragic shame!!! Stallings et al are considered Valid “Old Catholic” Bishops…to what purpose for another line of Apostolic Succession. This shows how far the “Old Catholic” position has taken since 1870 with the beginning of the movement. On the other hand “Old Roman” Catholic clergy maintain the discipline and praxis of the Ancient Catholic Church of Holland which predates PIO IX’s establishing a rival heirarchy at Utrecht. One can not be a Roman Catholic Bishop if one is not in communion with Peter! “Old Romans” pray for the Holy Father in the Una Cum at Mass, the “Old Catholics” abandoned such practices along with auricular confession, celibacy, veneration of the Saints etc. TRADITIONALISTs are cast out while PROGRESSIVE get second chances! By this account Archbishop Lefevre should be Canonized.
BISHOP CORNELIUS:
I Whole heartly Agree Bishop Cornelius ECCC UK
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This is the sixth post in a discussion about married priests and breakaway groups.
ARCHBISHP PETER BRENNAN
Dear Fr. Joe, you are dealing with too little information which you are spinning into nonsense. Perhaps, that is the same spin the Vatican puts on it statements.
My baptismal vows, which are of great interest to you, were made by someone else in my name and are quite intact.
My vows as a religious were simple vows which expired and were not renewed and I did not take final vows.
I was ordained as a married man and did not take any major orders in the RC diocese.
I hate to disturb your fixation on vows but there you go now. No vows were broken. Are you sure you are a Christian, Fr. Joe? Your words sure do not show that. Didn’t Jesus say something about forgiveness and mercy — seventy times seventy? To call your brother priests a cancer is over the top.
FATHER JOE
I am not sure what you mean by too little information. The facts seem quite clear to me and I have no problem with being associated with the mind of the Vatican. Unlike you, I accept the juridical authority of the Holy See and believe that such is an essential element of true Catholicity. Where Peter is, there is the Church!
Promises made by another when we are infants or made by ourselves after the age of reason, either way baptism in the Catholic Church makes one an inheritor of the kingdom of heaven, remits original sin, infuses sanctifying grace, and incorporates one as a member of the Catholic Church. If you are no longer a real or practical member of that Church, and as an excommunicant you are not, then you have breached your baptismal promises. If we are baptized as children, we make those vows or promises consciously our own as we get older and reflect upon them. We give thanks for the arms that carried us to the baptismal font and the parents and godparents who formed us in the faith. They gave us a priceless gift.
I cannot speak for you but I know that one of the priests recently consecrated with you, if you are indeed “Archbishop” Peter Brennan, was always driven by a deep-seated need for power and authority. His ambition drove him from Catholic unity and fueled his efforts to create a Church in his own image.
Our parents and sponsors witness on our behalf. As we receive the other sacraments of Penance, Holy Communion and Confirmation those promises are further ratified and made our own.
The priest or deacon says: “By the mystery of your death and resurrection, bathe this child in light, give him the new life of baptism and welcome him into your holy Church.” All respond, “Lord, hear our prayer.” If your baptism took place in a Catholic Church, then it is into this faith community that you were incorporated. The Holy See has clarified again and again, that references in the ritual do not refer to a generic or interdenominational church. In the context of the Church’s prayers and rituals, they always apply specifically to the Catholic Church under the Pope in Rome.
The promise of the Creed also referred directly to the Roman Catholic Church, in which all four marks of the Church are present and undiminished:
The priest or deacon says, “Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints, the Forgiveness of Sins, the Resurrection of the Body, and Life Everlasting?”
Parents and godparents respond, “I do.”
The priest continues: “This is our faith. This is the faith of the Church. We are proud to profess it, in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Everyone answers, “Amen.”
This particular I DO and the baptism that followed constituted the most important event in my life. I was too young to remember it, but I became a Christian and a member of the Roman Catholic Church. More important than ordination or even the honors of the episcopacy, is the day when we become adopted sons and daughters of the Father and are reborn in the womb of Mother Church.
You may still espouse a faith in Jesus, but it is not the same as your baptismal faith. You broke away from Catholic unity and joined yourself to schismatics. Now you have excommunicated yourself with Archbishop Milingo. God’s mercy may truly embrace those who through no fault of their own are born into non-Catholic churches; however, as with the Protestant reformers of old, I suspect God’s judgment will be severe for those who abandon Catholicism and lead others to do so as well.
There is no Catholic Church without the Magisterium in union with the Pope. All who would be in this Church must be under the authority of the Holy See and the power of the keys. Even the Orthodox churches, which still possess the sacraments, suffer because of their separation from the Chair of Peter.
Given what you say now, you were not a fully professed religious and should not have claimed as much. My father was a monk for a while but left after a few months. There is a big difference. I wonder what you vows stipulated though.
You write, “I was ordained as a married man and did not take any major orders in the RC diocese.” I suspected this much by looking up your long pedigree. Some critics like me would judge that ordination as dubious.
You write: “I hate to disturb your fixation on vows but there you go now. No vows were broken.” No, I still do not buy it. Any Catholic who turns renegade, breeches his promises before God, even if they were only made on his behalf. I suspect your situation was more complicated than that. Further, look at your associations with Milingo and Stallings. They made all sorts of promises, George as a priest who pledged obedience to Cardinal Hickey and his successors and Milingo who made another special pledge prior to his elevation to the episcopacy. These are your bedfellows. There is an old saying, you know a man by the company he keeps!
Milingo and Stallings attempted marriage in a Moonie ceremony. Violating their promises of celibacy and obedience was bad enough, but they sought marriage in the Unification Church. Their doctrines are so bizarre that they cannot even be reckoned as truly Christian! This was no interfaith ceremony; this was a Moonie service, presided over by the so-called new Messiah himself. Milingo and Stallings thus participated in FALSE WORSHIP!
Now you are in ecclesial communion with them. Beware what “spirit” you might have really received in your so-called consecration!
Finally, yes, I am a Christian, but I will never subscribe to the counterfeit churches that pretend to be Catholic and worship the false Christs that tolerate all sorts of perversity and rebellion but never the hard truths that come from the successors of Peter and the actual Church established by our Lord. If you want mercy then you must be disposed to mercy. Return to an authentic Catholic unity, seek the absolution of the Church and regularize your status as a son of the Church. Accept whatever humiliation that is placed upon your shoulders and do penance for the souls that are lost to the world, the flesh and the devil. Will you do this?
Absolution cannot be offered when there is no sorrow for sin or contrition and firm amendment of life.
The real Jesus forgave sins and healed bodies. But, he also whipped the money-changers out of the temple, he called the Pharisees and scribes whited sepulchers and dead-men’s bones, and he warned us again and again about the terrible tragedy of hell.
ARCHBISHOP PETER BRENNAN
[THE FIRST PART OF THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN DELETED. A MAGAZINE THAT SPECIALIZES IN RUINOUS GOSSIP AGAINST CLERGY WAS CITED AND I HAVE DECIDED IN THIS INSTANCE TO CENSOR THE COMMENTS. THE GIST OF THE COMMENTS REMAIN.–Father Joe]
I wonder how many more celibate priests keep the vow like the good [DELETED]? Celibacy is fine for those like you who say they have the charism and are happy with this enforced obligation. But some are not, and it should be optional. No one is calling for the abolition of celibacy, only that it should be optional. Remember Jesus called married men first. What was good for Jesus should be good for the church. The church will be well blessed when priests can marry again.
FATHER JOE
Actually Jesus initially called married and single men to his priesthood. Given the travels of some of the apostles like Peter, it is evident that a higher premium was placed upon ministry than upon marriage. It is possible that some if not many married clergy also practiced periodic or permanent celibacy. IGNATIUS PRESS has a number of books on this subject. (The early model that comes to light is that of married men practicing perpetual continence.)
The Church already has married clergy, our permanent deacons. They can do everything a Baptist minister can do, and are truly within holy orders as well. They can preach, offer communion services, baptize, witness marriages, take communion to the sick, offer instructions and bible studies, and even administer parishes. This is sufficient and we can treasure our priests and their wonderful commitment to celibacy on the behalf of God and his people.
MATTHEW
Frater, one last comment and I’m finished with this… as I am certain will be a relief to you. The discipline (your word) of celibacy is arbitrary in that our Eastern rite brethren in union with the Papacy still have married priests. It is only in the West that it is mandated. Clearly, since this has been a constant practice in the East, celibacy is not a necessary element to priestly ministry. Rome itself does not insist on this. To put your mind at ease, I am and always have been a member in good standing of the Catholic Church. I have been a lector, have taught religious education classes and have counted many members of the clergy as my friends.
However, I am concerned at the decline in members of the ordained ministry. It is not wrong, or disloyal, or heretical to suggest that it might be possible to ordain married men to the priesthood. I am not suggesting the abolition of celibacy, only the expansion of the sacrament to another area of the faithful.
The right to “regulate the sacraments as she sees fit” must be understood in the context of the whole community. The restriction of one sacrament to the point that the others are effectively denied to the faithful is a misuse of power. I grieve to acknowledge that the Albany diocese has just closed another parish, not because of a lack of parishioners, or a lack of offertory receipts, but because of a shortage of priests. My own pastor presides at a Saturday evening vigil, and two or three Sunday Eucharistic celebrations. We discussed this last Sunday, and he agreed that one is draining, two exhausting and a third done almost automatically. This is hardly how we are to be treated by our clergy or how we should treat our clergy, but it is becoming more and more difficult for it to be otherwise.
As a final note, I received some time ago, a missive from my mother. It contained an article from the Michigan Catholic reporting the assignment of the former archbishop of Detroit to a new position in Rome. Cardinal Maida’s new posting was as an administrator. Reading through the list of his new duties, I recognized that he had been made city manager of Vatican City. To take a priest and assign him a full time position outside of priestly ministry rather than putting him back into pastoral service is just poor human resources management. But priestly formation programs do not contain courses in business, accounting, or management. And the hierarchy still hasn’t figured out that they are answerable to us, the faithful.
FATHER JOE
Dear Matthew,
The Church herself calls celibacy a “discipline” as opposed to something that would be “doctrinally” or “sacramentally” mandated as necessary. However, in the West it is not viewed as utterly extrinsic to the sacrament of holy orders, but rather as something that gives our form of priesthood its particular flavor and enhanced meaning. It is a great sacrifice that most men will not embrace; this amplifies something of the sacrificial nature of the priesthood and its operation. I never denied the reality of married clergy or the holiness of married priests, either the few in the West or the many in the East.
I am also concerned about the decline of vocations, although in many places and among certain groups there seems to be a turn-around. I think that it is no accident that in a society where marriage should be in trouble, that a celibate priesthood should also be threatened. We are formed it seems, more by the world than by the faith.
I have never said it was wrong or heretical to ordain married men for the priesthood. Indeed, I count several married Catholic priests, formerly Episcopalians, among my friends. All I am saying is that such has not been our tradition for the last thousand years or so and that a celibate priesthood has roots going back to the very beginning. The Holy Father and the Magisterium certainly have the authority and right to preserve this tradition, whether or not changes are made regarding married men. I have a personal bias in favor of a celibate priesthood, but would never presume to tell Pope Benedict XVI what to do.
If he makes a sweeping concession to conservative Episcopalians we could very soon see hundreds if not thousands of married priests in fully Catholic but Anglican-Use parishes. The rumor is that they would operate as another version of the Western rite, retaining their current disciplines and operating their own seminaries, allowing a married priesthood, although probably no remarriage. But who knows?
One of the more conservative Cardinals was in the press recently when he argued that the Eucharist was a privilege, not a right. I am not sure I can wholly go along with this, given how much at the heart of our faith is the Eucharistic mystery. Certainly, for one reason or another, people must sometimes excuse themselves from the reception of Holy Communion. Nevertheless, I suppose that those who view it as a privilege would fail to see any misuse of power when imposed structures seriously restrict the availability of a priest. They might argue that the real issue is faith and a willingness of candidates to sacrifice their sexual and personal lives for the sake of the needs in the community. It is not entirely clear that a married priesthood would resolve the shortages in clergy. Over half of Lutheran ministers are divorced and remarried. Married Catholic priests in such a situation could hardly get annulments and would have to be suspended just like the renegade celibates who left ministry for marriage in the past. I am not even sure such a lifestyle would be attractive to most men, married or not?
Regulation of the Church’s sacraments is up to the hierarchy established by Christ. We can make suggestions; however, I would hesitate to make moral judgments about those who have been given this sacred trust. I think they care very much for God’s people and feel, at least at present, that a celibate priesthood is still the form that best serves God’s people. That is my feeling, but you are quite right that the governing Church could modify the discipline of celibacy.
I cannot speak to what the Albany diocese is doing or what the overall reasons might be. A number of places are suffering from a priest crunch, but again, other places are seeing numbers go up. Maybe we have to look at what the dioceses are doing and learn from those places that are having success with recruitment?
It is routine practice for a Catholic priest to offer the Saturday anticipatory Mass (not technically a vigil) and a couple of Sunday Masses. This may be draining, but it is the principal work of a priest and should be no big deal. More hands would make for lighter work, but most priests I know are alright with it. We are supposed to get the bishop’s permission before we trinate (say three Masses) on any given Sunday but many bishops give this authority in our priestly faculties for the good of God’s people.
There has been a push to ordain some of the older permanent deacons as priests, since they have shown long-term stability and fidelity in their marriages. This would probably be reserved to retired men. Whether anything will come of it, I do not know.
As for the Cardinal that is going to essentially run Rome for the Holy Father, he will still offer Mass and many thousands of people visit the Vatican daily. I suppose the Pope has great trust in him. Clerics traditional run the small city-state. I never second-guess these moves since I know few of the pertinent details.
Some priestly formation programs today do include courses in accounting and management; although even small parishes hire professionals to do much of the accounting work.
You write: “And the hierarchy still hasn’t figured out that they are answerable to us, the faithful.” Well, yes, there is some truth that the Church leadership should be good stewards for God’s people; but the faithful are also required to offer filial obedience to their pastors and respect to the bishops and the Holy See. The hierarchy of the Church is answerable first, to Almighty God.
Peace, Father Joe
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This is the fifth post in an extended discussion about married priests and the breakaway group founded by Archbishop Milingo.
MATTHEW
Part of the answer to the problem of low response to vocations is to improve the Church’s approach to advertising the “product.” You get more potential buyers with an effective ad campaign. It has been my experience that the Church doesn’t advertise for candidates in an effective manner.
FATHER JOE
There are many programs for vocations that would seem to agree with you. However, I suspect the fads they follow to recruit men will only have short-lived results. The real answer is happy and holy priests. The scandals have hurt morale, not to mention the widespread dissent that exists even in Catholic families. Families need to have children and they should encourage them to be priests and nuns. Priests must be men committed to prayer, worship and service. Celibacy is a wonderful way to embrace this calling and it has given the Roman Catholic priest of the West a special charism as a man single-heartedly in love with God. Celibacy is a plus, not a deficit in the equation.
MATTHEW
Not enough positive encouragement is given to young people who are at the point of selecting a career to opt for a consecrated life.
FATHER JOE
This is true, and yet when they see others mock or disrespect priests, it is no wonder that they might also become cynical or close the door to such a vocation as priesthood or consecrated life. There are also way too many rascals in the ranks.
Note also that the priesthood is not simply a CAREER; it is a way of life. All day, each day, everywhere he goes– the priest is a priest!
MATTHEW
When was the last time you went to a high school career night (other than at a Catholic high school) to encourage young men to take up the challenge? When was the last time your bishop went on such a mission? This is a mission activity and it looks like one that is invisible to the hierarchy. Remember, not all committed Catholics attend Catholic schools.
FATHER JOE
You are very presumptuous. I am the product of public schools and know well the challenges of outreach to the community outside the parochial system. However, sometimes there is active resistance to allowing priests and religious a forum in the context you mention.
MATTHEW
I know that I applied to the seminary when I was young, but for no given reason they wouldn’t take me.
FATHER JOE
I cannot say why they did not take you. Did you try somewhere else? Were the problems in the psychological screening? Did you have the proper recommendations? Did you show respect to the Church and the clear capacity for obedience? Were you committed to celibacy? But in any case, the priesthood is not for everyone. I have some close friends who studied to be priests but for one reason or another, did not complete the formation. We may think we have a calling, but that vocation must be confirmed by the Church herself— another form of regulation.
Sometimes this regulation fails, either because of incompetence in those placed over seminarians or because the candidates themselves conceal serious problems or reservations that later explode.
MATTHEW
I also know a number of men who attended seminary because they wanted to be priests and dropped out because they didn’t feel called to celibacy.
FATHER JOE
It is a good reason to drop out. Celibacy is a terrible and a wonderful sacrifice. Compared to other men, it makes the priest the “poor” man, unfulfilled in the ways that the world considers important. Nevertheless, celibacy is a great treasure and a hallmark of the priesthood in the West. I am not threatened by a few married clergy. However, I would grieve if this wonderful gift that God bestows his priests was minimized or dismissed as accidental or inconsequential. You might see it that way, but most celibate priests do not. The majority of priests I know in ministry would oppose a change in the discipline, so would I.
MATTHEW
According to Catholic theology one charism can exist independent of any other.
FATHER JOE
Yes, charisms can be distinct but they are rarely if ever independent. They flow one into the other. Such is the case with a celibate priesthood.
MATTHEW
Why do we insist that God triple the charism of priesthood with celibacy and masculinity?
FATHER JOE
I am a faithful Roman Catholic priest. That is why I take these views. I believe that what the Magisterium teaches must be believed. Further, speaking for myself personally, that violation of this trust would bring me disgrace as a priest and forfeit my immortal soul.
MATTHEW
As you admit these are arbitrary disciplines of Rome. They are not mandated by divine scripture or tradition. Get a better ad campaign. You might surprise yourself.
FATHER JOE
Did I say arbitrary?
Celibacy is a discipline, but it is a long-standing practice that has colored our understanding of the priesthood. The priest belongs to the Church. This is the family that receives his first loyalty and all his time and strength. There should be no competition.
As for the all-male priesthood, it is a matter of unchangeable doctrine. Women cannot be priests and their so-called Eucharist is invalid! The marriage analogy at the altar is distorted by priestesses into a perverse sacramental lesbianism.
The Scriptures and Sacred Tradition lend much support to the current Roman Catholic position. Revisionists pretend otherwise and do not have the high ground.
If all you want are better sales gimmicks then maybe you would prefer one of the breakaway churches? But I hope not, because I am convinced they will incur almighty God’s terrible judgment for harming the mystical body of Christ.
God bless and keep you.
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This is the fourth post in a discussion about the married priests movement. This post deals with the authority of the Church to regulate her sacraments.
FATHER JOE
These comments about the sacraments initially came under a post about excommunicated clerics and a breakaway church. I asked the critic, “Have you left the Church?” Certainly, a view that dislodges the sacraments from the charge of the Church implies a movement toward the schismatic and/or Protestant confessions.
MATTHEW
You wrote, “The teaching and governing Church has every right to regulate her sacraments as she see fit.”
Not really, Father. She has, rather, the obligation to administer the sacraments in a fashion consistent with the call to mercy so often issued by Jesus. “Go and learn what this means: I desire mercy and not sacrifice.” And again, “The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.” Paul refused to ordain a man to the office of bishop unless he was a married man. He insisted on proof of maturity and the ability to raise a family. I’m not sure that we have anything that works as consistently as that to weed out unsuitable candidates.
Remember that the sacraments are gifts of grace poured out on the unworthy. You don’t regulate gifts. I know that God certainly doesn’t.
FATHER JOE
Sorry, but you are wrong. God does indeed regulate the sacraments, but through the instrumentality and secondary causality of the Church. Certainly, the Church has been given a great charge from Christ, but the statement about the regulation of the sacraments is not my private notion but the long-standing teaching of the faith.
Even history bears this out in such things as the evolution or development of the sacrament of penance [baptism for the remission of sins / second penance / petitioning the living martyrs who survived persecution / repeated auricular confession]. The keys are given to Peter and the Church, he and the Church can loosen and can bind.
The Church can say who can and cannot receive Holy Communion. The Church can require that only men, 25 years of age and older are ordained. The Church can add disciplines like celibacy to the vocation. The Church can mandate a priest or deacon as a witness to marriages. The Church can regulate by faculties what a priest can and cannot do— preach, offer Mass, hear confessions, etc. The Church can set requirements for baptism, particularly the faith and practice of candidates or that of the children’s parents. The bishop can offer confirmation or delegate this to a priest. These are only a few of the many instances of sacramental regulation.
Yes, sacraments bring God’s mercy to men, but it is through the vehicle of the Church and her faith and ministers.
Canon Law, Book 4 spells out various norms and regulations associated with the Church’s sacraments. Non-Catholic and breakaway communities might take from the Church facets of the faith and sacraments, but these elements properly belong to the Catholic Church (the faith community established directly by Jesus as the new People of God).
The universal catechism confirms what I say:
[CCC 1117] As she has done for the canon of Sacred Scripture and for the doctrine of the faith, THE CHURCH, by the power of the Spirit who guides her “into all truth,” has GRADUALLY RECOGNIZED this treasure received from Christ and, as the FAITHFUL STEWARD OF GOD’S MYSTERIES, has DETERMINED ITS “DISPENSATION.” Thus the Church has discerned over the centuries that among liturgical celebrations there are seven that are, in the strict sense of the term, sacraments instituted by the Lord.
[CCC 1118] The sacraments are “OF THE CHURCH” in the DOUBLE SENSE that they are “BY HER” and “FOR HER.” They are “by the Church,” for she is the sacrament of Christ’s action at work in her through the mission of the Holy Spirit. They are “for the Church” in the sense that “the sacraments make the Church,” since they manifest and communicate to men, above all in the Eucharist, the mystery of communion with the God who is love, One in three persons.
Even some of the sacramental guidelines we find in St. Paul (regarding qualifications for bishops, women silent in churches, and his participation in the Council of Jerusalem in the baptism/circumcision debate) were simply the disciplines of the Church current at that time. The Sabbath itself, which you mention, was modified by the Church. The Hebrew Sabbath was moved to Sunday, not because of any utterance from Christ, but by the early regulation of the Church which celebrated the Lord’s resurrection and his Eucharist on Sunday morning.
There are assuredly certain givens about the sacraments granted us by God and distributed by the Church, having to do with their institution and purpose. The Church takes that into consideration but regulates the sacraments nonetheless. I have already given ample examples. But to help you I will offer the quick instance of Holy Communion. The priest might legitimately give you and the community the host alone or he might also give you the cup. Either way, you receive the complete Christ. That decision about distribution, just like receiving in the hand or on the tongue, standing or kneeling, etc. is a form of sacramental regulation.
Are we talking at cross-purposes? You contend that sacraments by their very nature as gifts are freely given and thus cannot be regulated. Well, indeed, the sacraments are gifts given to the Church, but not everyone is entitled to them. Non-Catholics and those outside the Church are not invited to receive Holy Communion or generally any of the sacraments. People who are not properly disposed are not welcome to receive the sacraments, either.
Since the sacraments are Christ’s gifts to the Church, and not per se to us as individuals, the Church has the authority to regulate them— giving them to some and withholding them from others.
MICHAEL
Grace in whatever guise is a gift. All grace is without regulation. The only problem is what use the recipient makes of the gift. This is certainly in accordance with Catholic theology.
FATHER JOE
Yes, grace is always a gift, but not all grace comes solely with the sacraments. Even the movement toward faith and conversion is only possible through divine grace. The sacraments make possible our reception of both actual and sanctifying grace. However, since some graces are reserved to the life of the Church, as for instance with those associated with sacraments and indulgences, they can be regulated. Some graces are gifts both from God and in a secondary way from the administration of Mother Church. So you are wrong again, and increasing Protestant in your perspective. Martin Luther objected to the notion that the Church could make certain graces available in indulgences from the divine treasury of grace that comes from God through the meritorious work and lives of the saints. Further, prayer for the poor souls in purgatory is another case where the Church seeks grace for those souls who are helpless and in need of help regarding the residual temporal punishment due to sin and cleansing from the last vestiges of venial sin, sinful habits or disposition.
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This is the third post in a discussion about Archbishop Milingo and the disobedient married priests movement.
ARCHBISHOP PETER BRENNAN
Dear Father Joe, if that’s who you really are. It would be nice if you had some facts before you give your over the top comments about everyone else’s life. Not that the truth will deter you. I was already married and was a father before I was ordained. So your accusation of breaking vows is rubbish. You may enjoy Archbishop Milingo’s response to the Dicastery Meeting.
The prelature for Married Priests Now! concurs with the Holy Father and the Vatican finding that reaffirms celibacy. As prelature spokesman, I can say that where we disagree is in the enforcement of celibacy as a job requirement for the priesthood. Celibacy should be a freely chosen charism and not a job requirement. Not every priest has the charism to be celibate and this is the problem because the church forces it on him or he cannot be ordained. It is an unjust requirement that violates human freedom.
FATHER JOE
I may only be a poor lowly priest in the Catholic Church, but James Cardinal Hickey who ordained me was an archbishop of the true Church in good standing. I have no reason to doubt my holy orders and unlike you have no need to seek ordination again and again from other sources to make sure it takes.
As for facts, I have enough to know that by your affiliation to Milingo you are an excommunicate of the Catholic Church, “outside of which” as my traditionalist friends like to say, there is no salvation. But what know you of truth since you have breached yourself from the Magisterium which safeguards the deposit of faith and Christ’s truth among men?
Your own biography says that you were once a professed religious? Did you not break those vows? What about baptismal promises and the acclamation of your faith in confirmation? Anyone who breaks away from Catholic unity has broken his promises to God and to his Church. You can join or fabricate your own religion, but your dissent and schism makes you no better than the Protestant reformers. You might have some vague affiliation with Orthodoxy, but since George Stallings ordains women, who cannot be true priests, and since you are in communion with him, you cannot even claim their status. You are no better than the liberal Episcopalians who play at church with priestesses, gay ministers, civil blessings, and plenty of doctrinal heresy.
You are right about one thing, there is plenty of rubbish in my posting, but that comes with the territory of the topic. All of you are a disgrace!
No, our disagreement is about more than celibacy. Do not lie to us about that. Given time the doctrinal and practical divergence will grow even more intense. Such is the way with Protestant communities like yours, especially those staffed by ex-Catholics.
The Church has the authority to regulate the sacraments. The real disagreement here is one of ecclesiology! Mandatory celibacy in the West has worked so far and growing seminary classes indicate that it may continue to work well into the future. However, even if the discipline should change, it will be the decision of the Catholic hierarchy in union with the Holy See. You are not a practical Catholic, at least not anymore, and none of you have any say in the matter. Most of the defected married priests in the United States are old men. They will soon be meeting their Maker.
Nothing about freedom is violated. God gives the charism of celibacy to men he calls in the West. There is no genuine tension or competition between God’s will and the judgment of the Church about her ministries. You for instance, by your rebellious spirit and dissent, illustrate this truth; you probably do not have a vocation. That is why you had to fabricate a priesthood according to your own terms. When Milingo and my brother priest Stallings were ordained, they freely made their promises to their bishops and to God. No one forced them to be ordained. When they tried to get married, they disregarded Church law that stipulated quite clearly than any attempted marriage would be false and would be an occasion of mortal sin and fornication. They went ahead with it any way.
As for yourself, your path might have been different, but still promises were broken…unless you were never Catholic, and that does not seem to be the case. Your use of Scripture apart from the tradition of the Church and her Magisterial authority is Protestantism 101, not Catholicism!
ARCHBISHOP PETER BRENNAN
We can hardly believe that a meeting of the Cardinals who head the Dicasteries was called to simply reaffirm celibacy. The report that was not released is the important one.
FATHER JOE
Your conjecture gets you nowhere. All the leaks about the meeting indicate that a majority preferred no change to the current discipline. The Pope himself was said to be looking for support to allow conservative Anglicans and Anglo-Catholics into full communion while allowing them to continue their tradition of an optional celibate or married clergy. Otherwise, compulsory celibacy would remain the rule for Roman Catholic priests.
ARCHBISHOP PETER BRENNAN
What did the Cardinals say about a married priesthood? Is the Vatican in such a state of denial that it cannot see the need for a married priesthood?
FATHER JOE
We have married deacons and a few married priests. Most priests I know are happy men who support the present discipline of compulsory celibacy. Are you in such a state of denial that you cannot see that the Church might be right on this one? You are not even a Catholic in good standing; why should you have a say on my priesthood and that other Catholic clergy? Do what you want in your new church; leave us true Catholics alone who are happy with where things are! I do not tell the Lutherans or Episcopalians what to do, even if I do lament their decisions. You should show us the same reserve. The fact that you and your cohorts do not is why I made the post. You are seeking to change, dare I say corrupt the Catholic Church. That is not something about which I can remain silent.
ARCHBISHOP PETER BRENNAN
“The Vatican’s denial of the problem confirms and encourages our mission to recall married priests to full ministry, said Archbishop Milingo. We are the only Catholic diocese calling for the ordination of married men, and for the return of married priests to full ministry,” Milingo said.
FATHER JOE
Milingo is living in fantasy land. He has no Catholic diocese at all. If men (and women) want to excommunicate themselves they can certainly join him. Like I said, many of the men who left priestly ministry for marriage are old now. They will not be with us much longer. Their disobedience can never be rewarded. Good priests remained at their posts and kept their promises, even when the heart strings were tugged. It would not be fair to them to invite the renegades back, particularly given their lack of contrition and restitution of the damage and scandal they caused.
ARCHBISHOP PETER BRENNAN
Marriage is a sacrament of the church, celibacy is not. Marriage is higher calling than celibacy. The marriage vow trumps the celibacy promise. Our prelature believes that a married priest is a healthier priest, and that a married priesthood will give priests a healthy and proper outlet for their sexuality. We are created by God as sexual beings and our sexuality needs to be celebrated as a blessing for ourselves and our wives. Marriage needs to be the normal option for priests.
FATHER JOE
Marriage of a Catholic is not a sacrament if it is conducted by the Moonies. Marriage does not trump celibacy, indeed celibacy is a higher element recommended by St. Paul and constitutive of the evangelical counsels. Single-hearted love elevates the priesthood into an even more exceptional and high calling. Promises were made to be kept. A majority of the nation’s married priests who are invited back into ministry by Milingo have been married and divorced and married again. Broken promises often lead to more broken promises.
ARCHBISHOP PETER BRENNAN
Married Priests Now! Prelature will hold a conference in Parsippany, NJ on December 8-10 (2006) to celebrate marriage and the priesthood. We will have a Catholic renewal of marriage vows during the celebration of the Eucharist for married priests and their wives.
FATHER JOE
Your argument implies that there is something wrong with celibacy or unhealthy and this is not the truth. It is a popular lie perpetuated by a sex-crazed society. Celibate love stands as a powerful sign of contradiction and it is a witness that condemns the hedonism of our age. Married love is a wonderful gift and certainly it can mitigate the negative effects of concupiscence from original sin; but celibate love is an even more special gift that illumines the life of Christ and the love that belongs to the saints in the heavenly kingdom. A priest’s vowed celibate love convicts the world and even religious movements like yours for its selfishness and disobedience. It is a discipline for sure, but it is not extraneous to priestly identity and service.
Married Priests Now! can do what it wants. I do object to their use of the word, “Catholic.” It is deceptive to poor souls who might not understand that these rascals are not in ecclesial communion with the Holy See. They are not truly “catholic” but are a particular and localized new faith community. Will the Moonie wives receive communion at this so-called Eucharist? They are not even technically Christian in the traditional sense. I suspect your nice little organization will eventually break asunder under the weight of increased doctrinal and ritual divergence.
ARCHBISHOP PETER BRENNAN
In St. Peter’s Square yesterday, a cleric was quoted in the news as saying that those priests who walked away from the priesthood to marry should not be received back as priests. Our prelature reminds such clergymen that the Gospel of Jesus is about forgiveness. And we remind him that the church is dying for want of priests. Recalling the married priests is a wholesome remedy to help save the church. “The first priests called by Christ were married and the church has always had married priests. We are going back to the New Testament roots of the priesthood when St. Peter and the apostles were married,” said Milingo.
FATHER JOE
The anonymous cleric is correct. YES, that is precisely my view, too. These renegade priests are a cancer or poison that the Church would best expel.
Your so-called prelature may stress forgiveness, but your mercy is a fraud. Forgiveness requires sorrow for sin, penance and even restitution. You rascals are not sorry. Indeed, you parade your disobedience and sins as if they are something about which to take pride. You invite others to separate themselves from the true Church and to live a life of dissent and fracture from genuine Catholic unity. As far as I can tell, that means the absolution you offer is empty or hollow. The disposition is all wrong. The Church may be suffering, but taking married priests who are both disobedient and heretics back to the breast of Mother Church would be more like suicide.
The Church will survive. About that we have Christ’s promise. But, you are no longer a juridical part of that Church, stop pretending otherwise!
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