• Our Blogger

    Fr. Joseph Jenkins

  • The blog header depicts an important and yet mis-understood New Testament scene, Jesus flogging the money-changers out of the temple. I selected it because the faith that gives us consolation can also make us very uncomfortable. Both Divine Mercy and Divine Justice meet in Jesus. Priests are ministers of reconciliation, but never at the cost of truth. In or out of season, we must be courageous in preaching and living out the Gospel of Life. The title of my blog is a play on words, not Flogger Priest but Blogger Priest.

  • Archives

  • Categories

  • Recent Posts

  • Recent Comments

    Alex on Masturbation & the Conditi…
    William McCarthy on Ask a Priest
    kimmyscave on The Vice of Vainglory
    Mary C on Ask a Priest
    Kathryn Majumdar on Ask a Priest

Bishop Katharine Schori – No Hope for Catholic & Anglican Reunion

jeffertsschori1.jpgKatharine Jefferts Schori, the new leading bishop in the American Episcopal Church is a former Roman Catholic.  Her parents brought her into the Episcopal Church when she was “not quite nine” and she attended a Catholic convent school maintained by the Sacred Heart Nuns.  She is fluent in Spanish and active in outreach to Hispanics, pretty much all who were formerly Catholic.  She is a liberal who voted for the consecration of the openly gay bishop, Gene Robinson, three years ago.  She also supports the blessing of same-sex unions.  She is a scientist, only ordained a priest in 1994.

Victoria Garvey, one of two sergeants-at-arms who escorted Schori to the convention floor after the election, said: “My heart stopped.  A number of people — men and women — were weeping. . . . I’m a former Roman Catholic, and part of the reason I made the switch was over women in the church. Thirty years after finally approving women’s ordination, we now have a woman bishop presiding.”

Schori tells a reporter for THE LIVING CHURCH FOUNDATION:  “My parents brought me into the Episcopal Church in early 1963, in conjunction with their own move out of the Roman Catholic tradition. This was before Vatican II had had any impact on parish life, and as a fifth-grader, my awareness of the difference was of language (from Latin to English) and of community and style (large and faceless to small and intimate). My understanding of faith in this new community was increasingly about the ability to ask questions. The vicar was a remarkable gatherer of people and artistic gifts into warm, challenging, and effective community. I would summarize my experience of the shift as from a religion of prohibition to one of invitation.”


The 75th General Convention has gone and done it.  When I was young I was full of hope that the division between the Catholic and Anglican communities would be healed.  But there is no chance now.  A few churches and individuals may continue to seek reunion; but as a whole, it cannot happen.  The Episcopal church is now solidly in the rank of liberal Protestantism and has abandoned its Catholic and traditional roots.  While claiming Scripture, they have dismissed the pattern that goes back to Christ in his selection of men as his apostles, the first bishops and priests of the Church.  They have also dismissed clear Scriptural messages where we find divine positive law about such matters like the indissolubility of marriage, the evil of fornication, adultery and homosexual acts.  Indeed, with one act, the consecration of Gene Robinson, many of these borders were trespassed; afterall, he had left his wife to live with his gay lover.  His consecration was an indirect but real act of approbation toward these evils.

The trouble with a female bishop, from the Catholic perspective, is the fact that we do not see any concrete biblical or traditional evidence that it is God’s will.  Pope John Paul II even went so far as to say that we do not have the authority to ordain women.  Thus, if the ordinations of men as priests in the Anglican churches were in doubt (because of Orthodox and Old Catholic participation) and in most cases rejected, certainly the sacramental reality is going to be denied completely in regard to women.

There are no priestesses in the Christian religion.

Any priests ordained by women bishops will not be priests themselves.

Any Masses offered by any of them will not be the sacrifice of Christ and will not be the Real Presence!

She calls Catholicism the “religion of prohibition” and in doing so devalues the riches of the Catholic faith, many of which were once shared, even if in a lesser and defective way, in her own Protestant communion.  The Church cannot tolerate anything and everything.  The last convention, the only moral question upon which the Episcopalians could agree was about a prohibition toward landmines.  About everything else they had compromised with a pagan and/or secular modernity.

The new bishop calls homosexuality a gift, not a sin.

Can there be any doubt that she will continue to support the gay agenda and the ordination of openly gay priests and bishops?

The Episcopal churches have already stepped aside regarding the most important issue of the day, abortion.

When asked about the alienation that many feel about her selection, she simply spoke about it as the personal problem of “not knowing another human being.”  But of course, the problem in conscience for many conservative Anglicans is that they have Catholic and traditional views on ministry and morality.  The problem is not something that a greeting and handshake will resolve.

When asked about the tension with communities that do not accept women priests, her answer was not only flippant but targeted the Catholic discipline.  She called the priest an “actor” which is already a far cry from the Roman Catholic view of the priest as an “alterchristus”.  A theatrical actor pretends but the Catholic priest at the altar really is offering the sacrifice of Calvary “in the person of Christ, head of the Church.”  It is this point of identification which is at the heart of the Catholic dispute with Anglican priestesses.  Women cannot stand at the altar as Christ, the bridegroom of the Church.  Anyhow, she moves the question first to so-called “pastoral underpinnings” and then quickly dismisses critics of women priests as donatist heretics who put too much emphasis on the holiness and attributes of the actor.

A sacrament, including Holy Orders, requires legitimate MATTER.  The Catholic Church has determined that such is a “male” human being.  Donatism does not speak to the question of proper matter or intention.  Donatism implies that the minister is already validly ordained.  The heresy of Donatism is in regard to moral failings and the efficacy of the sacraments.  The Church responded to this rigorism by stipulating that the efficacy of the sacraments did not depend upon the worthiness of the minister but on Christ.  Therefore, even a priest in mortal sin can hear Confessions and offer the Mass.  The Lord protects the sacraments for his people.

Schori would extend the heresy of Donatism to those who would exclude women from the priesthood because they are not men.  Good try, but such reasoning does not fly.  Neither can it be applied to the dubious priesthood of others in the Anglican communion.  Being female is not a moral failing and neither is it an accidental.  Men and women are not utterly interchangeable.  Our gender touches the core of our identity.

It is unfortunate that Episcopalians cannot always know if their priests are valid or not, but such confusion is not due to Donatism.  The Catholic Church makes no claim against their degree of holiness and individual faithfulness (where true Donatists take offense); all we are saying is that if you are not a priest then you cannot offer that work priests are empowered to do.

Elements of discipline like celibacy, poverty and obedience are often required of candidates, but failure in regard to promises and the moral life do not negate the sacraments.  While women cannot be validly ordained, homosexual men (given that they are chaste and celibate) can be ordained.  However, the question still arises as to whether it is a good or prudential idea.  Even homosexual priests and bishops in the Episcopal Church might be valid, given the faith to which they subscribe is sufficiently Catholic and the ordaining bishop or bishops possess apostolic succession.  At one time it was pretty clear that all orders in the Anglican churches had become null-and-void and that apostolic succession had been lost.  However, given the presence and participation of Old Catholics and the Orthodox at episcopal consecrations, and the defection of Catholic clergy into the Episcopal churches, the matter is less clear today.

The breakup of the Anglican communion is taking place before our eyes.  Some are seeking primatial support from Africa  and the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth Texas has appealed to the Archbishop of Canterbury and other prelates of the Anglican Communion for another primate to have pastoral oversight over the diocese.  (However, the Anglican Church in England is also rushing quickly away from its ancient Christian roots and values and practices.)  I would hope that some would finally come to their senses and call upon their best friend, Pope Benedict XVI.  There are already Anglican-Usage parishes in operation and there is talk that the Pope might even make the concession of lifting the celibacy discipline for future clergy in their churches after reunion.  The presence of married clergy in the Catholic Church who were formerly Episcopalian priests has paved a road to this eventuality.

But the tragedy remains that there will be no worldwide reunion.  Things have gone too far now.  It cannot be fixed.  I am not dispairing of the Holy Spirit, just a realist in regard to how people can place secular values over Church tradition and the Gospel.  We thought we might have the glass glued back together but then it was deliberately fractured again and again.  All we have are splinters now.

Schori opposed the Winsor Report released by the Lambeth Commission on Communion which suggested that the ECUSA make amends and say it was sorry for the trouble caused by electing an openly gay bishop.  The report would also have established a moratorium on ordaining homosexual bishops and blessing same-sex couples. Her election is essentially telling the rest of the Anglican communion, NO DEAL!

Schori’s consecration as presiding bishop will be celebrated at the Washington National Cathedral.  I wonder if the Catholic and Orthodox prelates will stay away?  I hope so, because their presence would only lend credence to a terrible lie– about the health of a church community and about a so-called bishop.



And she is also rather creative:



The nominating committee considered her qualifications. Now, it looks like she fabricated a few credentials.

She noted herself as the “pastoral associate and dean of the Good Samaritan School of Theology in Corvallis, Oregon (1994-2000).” The trouble is that no such school of higher learning appears to exist. It turns out, or so she says, this was her name for the adult education program operated by the local parish, over which she was not even rector.

She also wrote that she was the “priest in charge of El Buen Samaritano, Corvallis, Oregon,” which turns out the be the Spanish-speaking parishioners of Good Samaritan Church.

Goodness! She certainly fattened her resume with exaggeration and purposeful deception!



As a member of a rapidly-growing Episcopal congregation and a former Roman Catholic, I am thrilled at the consecration of our new Presiding Bishop, but I also know what a rough road she has ahead of her. She is a woman of God, plain and simple. She is perceived as a threat to so many because she is a woman of God who is leading. Her mere presence as Bishop challenges existing hierarchies. But her great faith and intelligence will lead her and the faithful, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

The Roman Catholic Church has been very good to the Episcopal Church in recent decades. Half of our parish’s growing membership is formerly Roman Catholic, and we expect that trend to continue. So please by all means keep your hearts and minds closed to the real working of the Holy Spirit in the 21st century, and send your members our way! We welcome them with open hearts.


[Note that I have almost no doubt that this person is an imposter!]


Yes, it is truly the work of the Spirit!

Let the superstitious Roman Church insist upon its cookie worship, we know that fellowship is the most central and Jesus’ words should not be taken too literally.

Let the patriarchal Roman Church deny women their role as priests, we are more enlightened today by psychology and sociology over the chauvinists who are slaves of male tradition, no matter if it does go back to Jesus or not.

Let the bigoted Roman Church persecute gay, lesbian and transgendered peoples, we know that anal and oral sex is right and fun, and that no one, not even that gay-basher St. Paul, has a right to say anything different.

Let the bigoted Roman Church alienate the divorced and remarried, we are happy to fill our pews with your adulterers, fornicators and perverts.

Let the Republican Party-controlled Roman Church scream and holler about abortion, we respect people and the hard choices they make, yes even if it means killing unwanted babies.

We make no argument against contraception, either, and if most papists were honest they would leave the Roman whore and join the Episcopal Church where we have beautiful rituals but never take ourselves too seriously, especially in the bedroom.

Save the whales, ban landmines, these are the real Christian issues of our day!

Yes brother Patrick, we welcome the papists to our Episcopal communion.

May the Spirit of the World lead more and more to our ranks.

Amen, I mean, Awomen!


What’s going on here? Are you guys serious?

I hardly need to make a rebuttal.

Such attitudes might drive the more clear thinking souls back to the Catholic Church.

Goodness me.


I would like to congratulate you on this excellent article, Father Joe, which is particularly valuable to Episcopalians/Anglicans because it gives a view from the outside. You have hit the main point on the head. The Episcopal Church is forsaking its roots in Holy Scripture and Tradition and becoming increasingly “Post-Christian” and neo-pagan.

Also, while you are correct that the idea of the priest as an “actor” playing the role of Jesus Christ is inaccurate, it may be useful in explaining what I understand to be one of the significant theological reasons for opposing the ordination of women to the priesthood: a woman, no matter how talented an actress she may be, would be “miscast” in the “role” of Jesus Christ in a movie or play about Him. How much more unsuitable would she be as an Alter Christus (or as the Orthodox might put it as a living icon of Christ at the altar)?

Pray for me, Father, as I pray for you.


You have my prayers.


It was only a matter of time since Pope Henry 8th ripped an unwilling English people away from the Catholic Church that the Anglican/Episcopal church would start breaking up. The Anglican church in 2007 is a mere shell of what it once was. Reactionaries, revisionist of the worst ilk now control this faith group from London to Washington from Sydney to Ottawa. The Anglicans in the developing world will have none of it and at their last meeting Orthodox Anglican bishops even refused to share communion with neo Marxist fanatics & pro homosexual bishops from Europe & North America. Whole parishes are returning to the Roman Catholic Church and the trend is increasing. There is even an Anglican rite growing in popularity in the Catholic Church as more and more Anglicans & their priests leave that church. With the advent of Pope Benedict 16th and the recent motu proprio SUMMARUM PONTIFICUM and the resurgence of the ancient divine liturgy often referred to as the Tridentine aka Latin Mass whose roots go back to the 3rd & 4th century of the common era there is a tremendous increase in attendance throughout Europe of (predominantly) Catholic youth attending the ancient Mass, as the Novus Ordo declines millions are returning to the Roman Catholic Church. The same phenomenon is occurring in North America in that where the ancient Latin Mass is offered the churches are literally packed to the rafters with predominately young people. To be an Anglican these days means to believe in anything you want even to denial of Christ’s divinity. The glue that kept the Anglicans together for 400 yrs. is dissolving and that glue was polite civility between the warring factions of Henry the 8th schismatic church. No longer does low, broad or high church Anglicans tolerate each other. The Anglican church today and it’s offshoots like Methodism would even disgust Karl Marx & Adolf Hitler. It’s all very sad. Shalom.


Roman Church controlled by “Republicans?” The Catholic Church in the United States is overwhelmingly Democrat.  Give me a break.


First of all the theology that the presiding bishop is wrong!! Of course I am not surprised that the Church will grow!! Most people want to her what they want to her. Same sex marriage, the homosexual lifestyle should be acceptable, she might is well ordain people who steal!! Why? They believe they are born that way; let’s not take that from them too.

6 Responses

  1. According to the John Jay College official report, 4% of all priests were offenders, the charges were often very old, often anecdotal and unsupported, and given the anti-Catholic bias of the secular courts, it was often more prudent to simply negotiate a cash settlement with the plaintiffs. Why on earth so many parents felt no need to report such alleged incidents contemporaneously is an intriguing question. And we know that adolescent children never lie.
    As a former high school teacher, I can say that nowhere has more adult-minor sex than the public school system. Several of my friends on the police dept. can say the same. And for context, cops and teachers take no Vow of Celibacy.
    Yet AB 131, by Calif. assemblyman Jim Beall, EXEMPTS public schools from its waiver of the statute of limitations law. How convenient for the sex-loving Calif. Teachers Assn. Sometime-Catholic Jerry Brown should veto it.
    If “E” above feels so overwrought about the Church sex scandal — now an historical artifact — how can (s)he survive in the larger culture? It’s drenched in sex of every deviation, and may give him/her a stroke at any moment.

  2. She is a woman of God, plain and simple. She is perceived as a threat to so many because she is a woman of God who is leading.
    She is almost certainly a closeted lesbian, considering the zeal with which she advocates for Homosexuality, and its evil twin, Abortion.

  3. The Roman Catholic Church has been very good to the Episcopal Church in recent decades. Half of our parish’s growing membership is formerly Roman Catholic, and we expect that trend to continue.
    What a crock. The Catholic Church had to set up a new Ordinariate for all the refugee Episocopalians and Anglicans who are sick of rainbow flags and homosexual-everything.
    If and when God rebuilds Sodom and Gomorrah, then the Liberal Protestants will know they were prescient in their glorification of sodomy. Don’t hold your breath.
    The last census of the Catholic Church in 2010 showed 15 MILLION new members. Current American Catholics: 72 MILLION.
    Surveys show that a only small percentage of ex-Catholics join Protestant congregations, most of them — female, of course — simply become church-less.
    If the Catholics were as zealous about going into jungles and remote regions to proselytize, like the crackpot Mormons do, there would be even more new Catholics. But it’s more authentic to gain new members without hawking our wares to clueless natives.

  4. You talk about the evils of homosexual priests and bishops with the Episcopalians. And it is evil. The Anglican & Episcopal churches have become insignificant because of their liberal support for homosexuals.

    You point your finger at the sickening homosexual clergy in the Episcopalian church yet are blind to the filthy homosexual priests and bishops in the Catholic Church— the very ones who have brought shame and ridicule to our institution.

    FATHER JOE: There is a significant difference: Pope Benedict XVI asserted that homosexuals are not suitable candidates for the seminary; Catholic discipline mandates absolute celibacy; and Catholic teaching views homosexual attraction as disorientation and its commission as moral evil and grievous sin. The liberal Episcopal churches teach contrary to this. The Catholic faith cannot be faulted for having sinners in her midst, even among the clergy. The Church is not blind to problems, but she also does not imagine them where they do not exist. Much criticism of the Church upon such matters is gross exaggeration. You are buying into the negative rhetoric of our enemies against the Church because of the pedophile or pederast scandals. That is another issue entirely and the Church is very proactive today to protect our children.

    Even Pope Francis has acknowledged the “Gay lobby in the Vatican.”

    FATHER JOE: This was widely reported and it sounds very sensational; however, I cannot find anything official about it from the Vatican office. What did he mean? The possibility that there may be a few men living double-lives is not only old news— it is no news at all. If the Holy Father wants to clean house, I would think that you would judge this a good thing.

    I know you will say it’s the media saying lies about the church.

    FATHER JOE: Actually, the media does love to sensationalize because it makes money for them. The truth is often the first casualty of exaggeration or yellow-journalism. We discovered this when the Holy Father rhetorically asked who was he to judge gay people. Many wrongly interpreted this to be a shift in papal teaching; but even the pro-homosexual groups knew this was not true. Pope Francis was just reiterating that the disorientation in itself was not a sin. We are all sinners and almighty God is the ultimate judge of souls— not men, not popes and not even you.

    You will say that all the priests you know like women and are heterosexual. You have said this before.

    FATHER JOE: Have I said this? The most I can really say is that they are faithful to their promises of celibacy and obedience. The way my friends carry themselves and speak about matters would lead me to think they are heterosexuals. But there is little that celibate priests can do to prove it. I suspect that I know a great many more priests than you. You parrot the negative propaganda.

    I know you will say there are so many saintly Catholic priests.

    FATHER JOE: Yes, there are, and your implying otherwise is the sin of presumption and calumny.

    And you have told me before that homosexual priests are real priests, as long as they remain celibate.

    FATHER JOE: Of course, this is true, but even if a priest committed mortal sin, he would remain a priest. Priesthood gives an indelible character. No matter if he is in heaven or alongside Judas in hell, a priest remains a priest. If you are saying the validity of the sacraments depends upon the holiness of the priest then you are in formal heresy. I am a Catholic, not a Donatist.

    Yea right, homosexual priests living together with other homosexual priests living a celibate life.

    FATHER JOE: I had a classmate in seminary who revealed that he was gay. He was also very prayerful and totally chaste. He grieved about the misbehavior of some of the young men. When he told his bishop, he was expelled from the program. He was only a year or so from ordination. He had never known a sexual encounter. Was he treated fairly? Homosexual men like heterosexuals can live celibate lives. Indeed, even if outside the priesthood, if their orientation cannot be reversed then God is calling them to lives of perpetual continence and virginity. Would you not agree?

    Imagine putting heterosexual priests and nuns together in the same dormitories for decades.

    FATHER JOE: Actually, men and women might live in separate buildings but many seminarians study alongside women today in the theology schools. If close proximity is going to automatically cause men to sin then it would be best they leave the seminary. God gives the gift of celibacy to those he has chosen. Further, in the old days, many priests had live-in matronly housekeepers/cooks. Women functioned as their secretaries, too. Yet, most priests respected the boundaries.

    Yet estimates from various conservative Catholic sources show that from 40-60 percent of Catholic clergy are homosexuals.

    FATHER JOE: What are these “Catholic” sources? I have heard these numbers before but they do not come from the Church or her bishops. They are made up by the media and by the dissenters. Prove me wrong or prove yourself a liar.

    I have supplied you with these sources before and will do so again.

    FATHER JOE: Where? When? Show me.

    They are not anti-Catholic organizations but priests and conservative Catholics. People who love the Church but hate how homosexual clergy have festered into it.

    FATHER JOE: I suspect that we are talking about anti-Catholics or traditionalists who are either in schism and/or rushing back into excommunication. If truly from the “Church” then pray tell me, what USCCB or Vatican document are you referencing?

    If you doubt this figure Father Joe, I can also direct you to my cousin, who is a priest in the Vatican. He sits in a daily mass with the Pope every day. Like in the past, you will doubt there is a homosexual problem with Catholic clergy. Keep your head in the sand Father and the problem might go away.

    FATHER JOE: Great, then post his name and contact information so that we can all talk with him. I am sure he would love to read our conversation. I dare you… I triple dog dare you. If he exists, I suspect he will confirm your many misunderstandings. If he does not exist, then you are delusional. But again, prove me wrong. Who is he?

    Countless heterosexual men enter seminaries only to find them festering with degenerate homosexuals.

    FATHER JOE: Yes, I suppose you imagine gay men hiding behind every flower pot and file cabinet. I never focused on this issue in all my years of seminary. My daily preoccupation was upon the faith and good moral character. We have a few boys who lost their way. But we had many men who became outstanding priests.

    I am a supporter of our traditional Catholic Church.

    FATHER JOE: Hopefully you do not mean the SSPX, because I suspect that the tenuous link they have with the Roman Catholic Church will eventually be severed. I pray this will not be the case, but they have no juridical standing even now.

    The problem is not female priests.

    FATHER JOE: A radical or militant feminism is part of the problem.

    The problem is the countless sodomite clergy that are pushing more and more Catholic laity away into atheism and other denominations.

    FATHER JOE: You just love to name-call, don’t you? We have thousands of good and hard working men in the priesthood, killing themselves with workloads that will make them martyrs… and that is all you can say. You are part of the problem and fail to even see it. You impugn the priesthood, attack the Church and then wonder why people are leaving. You are a sick man and I am rapidly running out of patience with you.

    This is what is evil.

    FATHER JOE: Look into the mirror. The face of evil is not far away and it is way too familiar.

  5. She is more in-tune with a spiritual reunion then you think. These Papists: those so-called Recovering Catholics–not in this instance the ‘anglo-Catholics’– are Just as much an agent of Rome, and the collective legion of Papist souls as any other time in history.

    FATHER JOE: Ah, ignorant anti-Catholic bigotry raises its ugly head.

  6. I read last year that there were only 2.1 Million Episcopalians in America, and a sizeable number of them have bailed out of EPUSA and gone with the conservative “Southern Cone” with leadership in Africa. The large San Joaquin Diocese in California was one of the conservative ones, and there are many others. The conservative and liberal churches are locked in lengthy legal battles over property and asset issues. In one case, Schori refused to sell a church building to a conservative congregation, saying she’d rather it become a Sikh temple or somesuch. She’s presiding over a hollowed-out, and rump, organization that has marginalized itself into the house religion for the Liberal Protestants. The fey Bishop Robinson, by the way, has undergone alcohol detox at least twice, news reports say.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s