The Pope, Pedophiles & a Newspaper with an Agenda

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Dave Protestant, on October 17, 2014 at 10:10 am said:

(Fr.)* Joe, my wife left me 10 years ago and I havent had a woman since,

I’m wondering since I live a celibate life how long do I have to wait before I can approach a person sexually attractive to me?

[*notation = please note that (Fr.) was an editorial liberty that Dave did not write since he evidently interprets the Scriptural hyperbole (against father, teacher, etc.) as a literal prohibition / apologies for any confusion]

FATHER JOE: Dave, you do bring up an interesting and little discussed wrinkle in this overall debate. While Catholics must be married before a priest or deacon, our laws do not apply to Protestants. That means your first marriages, no matter if before a minister or magistrate are regarded as valid in the eyes of Catholicism. Your own denomination might permit divorce, but Catholicism generally does not. What might a Protestant do if he or she takes seriously the prohibition against divorce from Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew? I know when they desire a second marriage to a Catholic that they will enter a case to the local Catholic Marriage Tribunal for a possible annulment. But what if there is no new love interest? Could the case still be entered? Thanks for the question. What is the process, if any, in Protestant churches for divorced Christians and those desiring to date or possibly get married again?
E, on July 16, 2014 at 10:03 pm said:

I suppose you are right Father Joe. There are very few homosexual Catholic clergy and the sex abuse scandals were mostly false allegations.

FATHER JOE: Even your ex-priest Dr. Sipe would contend that a distinction must be made between homosexuals and pedophiles. My concern is that most of the pederasty has been homosexual in nature. This does not mean that all homosexuals, as few as they may be, are criminals. Even given that, a very small percentage of sick men has done great harm. Most priests are heterosexual and celibate. Indeed, many of our priests are saintly men.
E, on July 16, 2014 at 4:15 pm said:

Father Joe

Thanks for your reply. My cousin, Father Don Fabrizzio, tells me that many priests who report other degenerate homosexual priests are silenced by Bishops themselves. Why? The scandals are not over. Too fee priests speak out against these sexual perverts that run high postions within the Church. As far as Mr.Sipes goes, the sats he gave me are from surveys that were given to thousands of priests. 45 percent of the priests responded that they were homosexual in orientation. These numbers have nothing to do with his opinion. In discussions with other Catholics everyone I spoke with mentions that their parish priest is homosexual. How on earth they would know is beyond me but the belief is still there. When I spoke with Father Donald Cuzzons, he mentioned how many heterosexual priests leave seminaries when the stench of homosexual behaviour overwhelms them. If one were to listen to you father, one would come away that the homosexual clergy population is small indeed. Yet all the evidence is against what you say. Country after country with massive charges against homosexual clergy. 4120 US clergy alone have had charges laid against them in the last 20 years. Almost all homosexual related. Check out Wikipedia for sources under Catholic Church sex scandals and others. Also check out homosexuality in the Priesthood and various other countries as well. Most priests have lost the trust of most Catholics. You may not like to hear this but it’s true. There are some great priests but they are like diamonds in the ruff, rare. The Catholic Church has lost and is continuing to lose money since the priestly homosexual scandals became public. That is not my opinion, it is a fact. The clergy has only themselves to blame, only themselves.

FATHER JOE:

I do not know what your cousin does as a priest, but have you asked if you might cite him on the Internet? Not every diocese and religious order is the same. Some have a heightened concern about what priests say or are reported saying in the public forum. Certainly we want to teach the truth but there is a fine line when it comes to possible scandal and so-called facts that cannot be substantiated.

Your own comments are particularly critical of clergy and bishops. Would he want to be associated with your remarks? I say this because I would not want to make unnecessary trouble for a brother priest. Purportedly he told you that priests who tattle on orientation or misbehavior “are silenced by bishops themselves.” Is this true? If it were, would you have no concern for your cousin? As for Sipe, where are these surveys given to thousands of priests? I never saw one. Look at your source. He is not sympathetic to Church authority or faithful to her teachings. Indeed, for someone who is anti-homosexual; you have placed your confidence in one who supports their coming out. You have a right to your opinion, but the argument I am having with you is all about the numbers. I think that most priests are faithful to their celibacy. Sure there are a few who are rascals, and that few are a most serious problem for the Church. But you would posit that half or even a majority represented a type of gay cabal. I have seen no sign of such a monstrosity. As long as a priest is faithful to his promises, how would you ever know his orientation anyway? Some men may come across as somewhat effeminate, but heterosexual men are also counted among them. I have nothing in particular against Fr. Cozzens (correct spelling) although I feel he undermines the need for a celibate priesthood.

The numbers of pederast clergy are very few, unfortunately they caused geometric damage. Most charges against priests cannot be substantiated and are false. You would condemn all of them.

Most Catholics have abandoned the Church for secular materialism. It is not the fault of the priesthood. They are more concerned about money or eroticism or other pleasures than worshipping God and eternal life. Your analysis is flawed throughout. The Church stands firm on the teachings of the deposit of faith. While pleading for orthodoxy, your bedfellows and references are the very people and evils you oppose.
E, on July 15, 2014 at 8:27 pm said:

Father Joe, I like you a lot. That’s why I am honest when I write to you. You say you have been a priest for a long time. Excellent. Try stepping outside and seeing things from your parishioners point of view. Priests will protect themselves and their bishops at all costs. When many Bishops all across the world were shuffling gay peadophile priests from parish to parish, who were they protecting. The children. That was the last things on their minds. They were protecting gay priests who committed crimes. Yes there are many good priests, yes you may be one of them. But our church paid over $2 billion dollars out in compensation in the US alone to abused boys. Father Joe, I’m no layman here, my first cousin is a priest in the Vatican. Don Fabrizzio Colonna-Turriziani. He is stationed sometimes in the Vatican and sometimes in Frosinone. Homosexuality in the priesthood is a grave problem. You don’t beleive it. Leave your parish and visit our churches headquarters. Stay a while and then someone there might fill you in. Visit my cousin, he might even tell you. I have recently spoken with Richard Sipes and his facts are that 45 percent of priests are homosexual, not 25 percent as you say. I find it ironic that this very so called celibate clergy that teaches heterosexual men how to have sex with their wives is for a large part, made up of homosexual degenerates. Degenerates that have humiliated the good works of Catholics around the world. Degenerates that have played right into the hands of lefty abortion idiots. You mentioned that if a priest is homosexual and celibate that is OK. So if all Catholic clergy were homosexual and celibate that would be OK with you. Homosexuals support homosexuality. They think there is nothing wrong with their behaviour. Is this the clergy the Catholics would support? I think not. Also, let’s talk money. As mentioned above, the Catholic Church in the US alone, forked out 2 billion dollars in compensation to boys who were molested by priests and bishops. The Church in the USA, Canada and other countries has lost a lot of money that is normally donated to it by Catholic parishioners. Why do you think Pope Benedict retired. The bad press his leadership was having around the world was costing the Church too much money. Yes Father, it’s about money. Bottom line is that many decent parishioners are too embaarassed to tell their local priests what they think. Sweep everything under the rug. I am not a protestant or orthodox. I was born Catholic and will die a Catholic. I am repusled and disgusted to no end at the homosexual invasion in the Church. Not a small infiltration but an avalanche of degenerate priests bent on destroying the Church.

FATHER JOE: Richard Sipe could not keep his own priestly promises. Who is he to speak about the commitment of others? His web presence and books exploit the excitement around forbidden sexuality and I am sure he has found it lucrative to regularly malign the Church. He posts links that expose his biases… promoting married priests, in favor of homosexual unions and clergy, dissenting for the ordination of women clergy (priestesses), and for an assortment of other liberal causes. He is a renegade and you can have him… and his made up figures and assertions.
E, on July 14, 2014 at 11:29 pm said:

E:

All internal stats show that between 30-60 percent of priests have homosexual proclivities.

FATHER JOE:

What internal stats are these? I really doubt it is anywhere near that high. What is the source for these figures?

E:

You denied this in the past because most of the priests you know are straight. Your famous reply was, “How do you know this?”

FATHER JOE:

I think it is a good reply. There is no way for you to know this. Even the figures you give here vary by 30%. That makes it nonsensical.

E:

I have already sent you the sources in a previous email. The sources are all Catholic. Read Father Donald Cuzzons books on this subject.

FATHER JOE:

Did it go to my SPAM folder? Did I respond to it? Where can I find the statistical figure from Fr. Donald Cozzens about the percentage of homosexual clergy? Where did he get it? Just because he may have written it does not make it true. I know that he has suggested 50% but I do not regard him as credible. Amanda Ripley from TIME magazine said it could be as low as 15%. Bill Blakemore of ABC News pushes it to possibly 10%. The ex-priest Richard Sipe speculates that the number is 25% to 45%. The number goes up and down because in truth they do not know. These figures are fiction, the stuff of sensationalism, but not hard figures. There is no value in circulating such imaginary numbers.

E:

The lefties do not like to broach this subject because they adore homosexuality in all its degenerate colors. But the fact remains that homosexuals love males, adult and young.

The Gay Pride parades that they have in major cities in North America used to have The North American Man Boy Association (NAMBLA) in their parades. Due to pressure from parents groups the homosexuals decided that NAMLA could no longer be part of their parades.

The more homosexuals you have, the more abuse of boys you will have.

A crazy and disproportionate amount of priests are homosexual.

FATHER JOE:

I would not want to commit calumny in their regard. I get the impression that some would like to engage in an active witch hunt; interrogating and torturing priests to discover their orientation. I stand by my experience that most priests are CELIBATE heterosexuals. I suspect there is a gay minority. Most of these men are also celibate, too. There may be a few rogues who would like everyone to think otherwise. However, they are quick to dismiss the pedophile connection, even though most child abuse cases involve boys.

E:

Put children in front of them and look out. Homosexuals cannot control themselves. Sex is everything to them.

FATHER JOE:

I would hope they would be faithful to their celibacy and calling. You speak as if they are “out of control” monsters.

E:

I mentioned this to you before and you were in denial again.

FATHER JOE:

Are you a priest? I have been one over a quarter of a century and can say without qualification that my experience does not reflect your bigotries. You play into the hands of the Church’s enemies by condemning thousands of good and holy men in the priesthood.

E:

The Vatican is full of nude men to the point that you will have to look long and hard to find any nude females.

FATHER JOE:

The Church is not puritan in her appreciation of God’s creation and the human form. Any emphasis in art upon the male form is reflective of the incarnation. God became Man. He took to himself human flesh. While there are instances of the female form, especially the nursing Virgin, the male form is reflective of Christ and Adam.

E:

The last time I mentioned this you replied, “The Church is not prudish and is not offended by the human body.” Yes Father, the Church and its male hierarchy is not prudish at all. But why does all that art have to be of naked men with their male genitals fully exposed. Many statues and paintings are of male saints, and many are nude. Who in their right mind would like to see a naked saint or a great Jewish prophet with their penis and testicles for the whole world to see? Is that something we would love to show Jesus? And the art is almost all of nude men. Men, men, men, everywhere you look.

FATHER JOE:

There is a lot more to see. It seems to me that the sexual preoccupation is yours. There is a difference between such art and eroticism. If you cannot appreciate that then your sentiments lean more toward Jansenism or even to a kind of iconoclastic belief closer to that of Islam than Catholic Christianity.

E:

If I entered a priest’s house and I saw nothing but nude male art everywhere what does that tell me about this priest.

FATHER JOE:

St. Peter’s is a great church and cathedral. It is not a simple priest’s house. What would have us do, white wash the walls? Would you take an ax to the statuary? Would you tear down the Sistine Ceiling? Please, such would be a crime both against the Church and Western civilization.

E:

Deny all you want father but homosexuality is a huge part of the priesthood.

FATHER JOE:

Okay, you have made me mad now. How dare you castigate the priesthood of Christ! I will say it again… most priests are good and holy men. They have sacrificed everything so that others might receive absolution and the bread of life… yes, even men who malign them like you! What is the priesthood all about? It is about being “another Christ,” dying for God’s people daily. They give up home and family for people who mock and belittle them. Instead of praising and thanking God for such men, fools label them as perverse monsters. Stop trying to tear down the priesthood and begin to pray for priests!