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  1. Dear Father Joe,

    Thank you so much for patiently answering my questions.

    About my friend who converted to another religion:

    When she tells me anti-Catholic things, I would simply tell her:

    “okay, I will ask our parish priest about that issue, and I will get back to you.”

    It is my polite way of telling my friend that I don’t trust what her pastor is teaching, that I would only listen to a Catholic priest, and she always gets it. She would just keep quiet.

    I would also take your advice on how to respond.

    I also told her that now the real issue is authority. Who has authority to interpret and explain the bible? For her, it’s their chief pastor. And for me, it’s the Catholic Church.

    My friend still believes in faith and good works. Her new found religion rejects faith alone and OSAS. They are not Born Again or the so-called Bible Christians. Aside from being anti-Catholic, they are also anti-Protestant.

    She never mentions personal relationship with the Lord. She always emphasizes God’s mercy, that she is hoping for God’s mercy.

    We agreed to pray for each other and ask God for grace and divine mercy.

    I sense that she is now limiting the time spent with me. After a few minutes of talking to me, she would say goodbye. I am hurt and tempted to do the same.

    I am well-Catechized but I am reluctant to engage in a dialogue. Our other friends are telling me:

    “Just tell her that you are happy she found Jesus. No need to debate or argue. Tell her that you two will remain good friends. That’s it. If God wants her to come back to our Catholic faith, it will happen. However, it will not be through your help. Look at her. Every Saturday, she would print out sermons of their chief pastor and distribute it in public places. According to her, nobody asked her to do that. It’s her initiative so she could help save souls. You know … she would not do that or act like that if her new religion did not have a strong impact on her.”

    I just have to agree with what they told me. And I am not sure if I am willing to talk to her “churchmates.” She wants me to listen to their chief pastor which I find stressful and “going nowhere” since I don’t have intentions of converting to their religion.

    Our common friends also told me that it’s a TRAP. That she is not really open to coming back to the Catholic Church.

    She always tells us,

    “a true friend will do everything to make her/his friend become a child of God”

    which is weird. It’s as if she’s telling us that we are not children of God.

    I will take your advice to give her a book. Though I doubt that she would read it because they are not allowed to touch Catholic reading materials and they are instructed to listen ONLY to their Church’s pastors. In our country their group is considered a cult.

    Her entire family remains Catholic. One time I asked her:

    “What about your family? Aren’t they children of God?”

    she said,

    “I am praying hard that God would have mercy on them and let them know the truth. God is merciful. I really hope.”

    I sent her links to Catholic apologetics.

    She said,

    “Thank you for sending me those links. It shows that you are indeed my true friend. You are concern about my soul. However, the content of those links only proved the wrong Catholic beliefs that I also used to believe. I am also concern about your soul. I hope that you will also read the links that I am sending you. I pray for God’s mercy.”

    She sent me a link to their religion which I didn’t read. I suspect she didn’t read the links I sent her.

    Thank you so much for your inputs, Father Joe.

    FATHER JOE: It sounds like a cult. You can send the links to me at frjoe2000@yahoo.com.

    Peace!

  2. I come from Muslim background but I don’t practice it.

    But I do believe in all religions and I’m faithful to God.

    FATHER JOE: It is not possible to believe in all religions as they contradict one another. The Christian God is a Trinity wherein the Second Person incarnates himself in Jesus Christ as a member of the human family. We believe that Christ is the Savior and Redeemer. You may believe in the same God but you do not understand him with supernatural faith as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you did, you would be morally obliged to become a Christian.

    But one day I was 21 and lost didn’t know what to do with my life. I was in a horrible place. I ended up booking a ticket in2011 and applying to graduate school in New York. That is when, the night before departure, I saw Jesus in my dream holding my hand and grabbing it so hard, guiding me to a road in the middle of crowded hallway. Then I saw a beautiful painting hanging on the wall of the Last Supper. Then I woke up. I went to New York and just moved back in January 2013. I really was tired and exhausted from being away from Lebanon and my mom here. But in the middle of the decisions I had to make and work pressure and the struggle I encountered in USA. I stopped seeing Jesus. I don’t know why. Does it mean I lost the way?

    FATHER JOE: I cannot decipher your dream for you. Might the Lord be calling you to spiritual conversion?

    I returned back to Lebanon to pursue my dreams in Beirut, in a city where I dreamed of living in since college days. But it was always difficult because of its political conflicts and lack of employment chances. Now I have been back 9 months, but it has been DIFFICULT.

    I lost so many friends – people changed around me- no one is the same anymore- jobs are hard to get – I came here to shoot a film and continue my second higher degree – that’s what I’m doing now. I’m a filmmaker and writer. I am doing them but I keep seeing hard days. I’m just exhausted. Am I being punished?

    FATHER JOE: I would not say that you are being punished. We live in a fallen world where there are many struggles. Minorities and Christians are facing terrible persecution and martyrdom. Jesus asks that we take up our crosses and follow him. It might make things harder, but could Jesus be calling you to be a Catholic— a Nazarene? The Last Supper is regarded by believers as the Eucharist. Jesus feeds us with his own body and blood. He faces the Cross so that our sins might be forgiven.

  3. Father I understand that Jesus loved all his apostles equally, but why did he love St John specially? Because in the bible reference was made to “the disciple whom Jesus loved” most of the time. What was it about St John that Jesus loved? Can you explain it for me? Thanks.

    FATHER JOE: It was probably John. It does not mean that as God he loved anyone else less. Love has many definitions. We all have special friends and dear ones. This is an element of the human condition, chemistry you might say. The consensus is that it regards this dynamic in the personality of Jesus.

  4. P.S.- I apologize, I used “disoriented” in the previous post and “disordered” in this one. To me they are the same in this context because the whole point of sexual powers is to be oriented/ordered toward one thing: a reflection of Christ’s love for the Church.

    Also, I understood Carter’s use of “adultery in the heart” to mirror Christ’s usage in the Sermon on the Mount where one, by translation, “makes an adulteress” out of another woman.

    My understanding of TOB is that Pope Saint John Paul II went beyond this and said one can do this with his actual wife. The key here being that by the law, he could not make her an adulteress, but in his heart he could do just the same to her by reducing her and offering her less than the vows that reflect Christ’s love.

    The idea always is that the fulfillment of the sexual law is in the true free, total, faithful, and fruitful expression of the vows (=free, without reservation, forever, open to children). Law is mere ideology if it not fulfilled to reflect divine love.

    I apologize if I have the context of former President Carter’s incorrect- I do not trust my memory of such history!

  5. Dear Fr. Joe,

    I think of pedophilia, etc., as disordered because they do not follow God’s will- all because of the bigger picture of not reflecting God’s love which is a free, total, faithful, and fruitful gift. Pornography is full of heterosexual desire, and it is inherently disordered for the same reasons. Adultery can likewise be heterosexual, but it is also not ordered toward God’s will for our sexual powers, therefore I used the term dis-ordered.

    TOB is not novel in the sense that it gave us new law. It is novel in the sense that it gave the deeper subjective lens through which to view the law. It gives the “why” behind the “what.”

    Marriage research of infidelity has uncovered issues that go below the surface. Specifically, a person who has difficulty with negotiating for their needs in a relationship and tends to be conflict-avoidant will be unhappy/depressed/rejected and hold their spouse responsible for a situation that is complicated and deep. I am certain people do not lie when they site the spouse as the reason for their actions- they just cannot see any deeper and our inclination is to blame. My counselor friends say that in cases of infidelity it takes a massive amount of work to get someone to the point of seeing the deeper reasons why it happened. The work then is to gain the skills in intimacy needed.

    If someone feels anger and provocation from a spouse and hits them, we don’t really look at the spouse as the problem. We see a person with deeper relational and self-mastery issues. I suggest the same with infidelity.

    The horrendous situation of the wife manipulating sex for needs is really a reflection of the same reality. Here you have someone who desires a gift of her spouse, but cannot get it but through grabbing. I am confused as to why one would see lack of sex as “leading to” adultery, but not see a husband’s neglect or relational laziness as “leading to” withholding. They are both obviously wrong, but I suggest the root is the same. Don’t be too impressed by her bragging- hurt underlies these things.

    You commented:

    “They might also reduce or deride the dignity of the spouse as a means to an ends, seeking sexual satisfaction but not really true “fides” and union.”

    This is really to what I referred in my first post. Practically speaking, the problem in marriage occurs when there is inconsistency between the level of “gift” in their daily lives and “gift” of the person in the marriage bed. If I am selfish and self-seeking all of the other hours of the day and come to the marriage bed to “claim my right,” there will be problems. Why? I believe your comment above brings clarity. There is not true “fides” and union.

    I am suggesting that lust in the heart is when a spouse “expects sex” without being an honest gift first, for lust is use- taking without giving. Due to selfishness, this is an ebbing and flowing type of problem in marriage, and the goal is to be responsible to work things through so normalization can return to the marriage bed and otherwise. No withholding, no infidelity- for these are the immature, sinful responses to the struggles of marriage.

    I hope the woman with past sexual abuse will continue that journey of healing to be full gift in the marriage bed, and that she has a spouse who believes in a loving his bride as Christ loves His…from the cross.

    We agree to continence in NFP for sure, but we also agree in times that intercourse would feel like an emotional violation for that moment. The goal is always to return to the marriage bed, for we do, indeed, have that claim on one another…one we want the other to have on us.

    Thank you!

  6. Hm. I think I understand, Father. I think “duty” wasn’t so much the word I wanted to use in retrospect (maybe the word I wanted was more like “something demanded” than something expected? I’m not sure what word I wanted) but I did appreciate your response. It really shows how much I still have to learn about all this, though now I have a little less to learn; thanks.

    I think that’s really terrible of those women to do that. I’ve grown up with that in my family, so it makes twisted sense how inappropriately close my father would try to get to me during those times my mother was distant, especially when she would sleep in the another bed. Because of that going on, I never really thought of just how much wrong my mother was doing to him. I think what those women did was no better from what I brought up about spouses who would force their wishes on the other. Of course, both of those are two opposite extremes of what it ought to be, huh?

    FATHER JOE:

    I cannot say what wrong was produced if any in the lives of your parents. Couples sometimes agree to limit the marital act. I cannot overstress the element of dialogue and concurrence. Households with lots of children often find that time has to be stolen for intimacy. I am not a fan of separate bedrooms for spouses, but there are cases were excessive snoring or asthma may mandate a special room for sleeping. There is no moral law about a single bed or separate beds, although I am biased against separate beds for spouses. In any case, all the Church asks is that they are open to each other’s needs and view the marital act as the renewal of their covenant with each other and Christ. The marital act is by definition non-contraceptive vaginal intercourse. However, if that speaks to the mechanics, it is also important that they engage the act with the right intention and disposition. I am mindful of the prayer uttered by Tobiah and Sarah on their wedding night: “Now, not with lust, but with fidelity I take this kinswoman as my wife. Send down your mercy on me and on her, and grant that we may grow old together. Bless us with children” (Tobit 8:7).

    The tragedy I often encounter as an outsider can work both ways. Men and women are not angels. Pastors become aware of all sorts of scenarios that we might not otherwise imagine. Women can drive their husbands crazy in trying to get pregnant. Others refuse to be touched because of a fear of pregnancy. Some will resort to avenues outside the marriage bed, as with IVF. Some employ donated eggs and others seek out donor-semen. Men often get caught up with eroticism and lust. Date-rape is a crime that is more prevalent than many would imagine. Men seem increasing detached from their sexual acts and the bonding to which they should be directed. Sexual acts themselves are confused with certain ones not open to human life or promoting human dignity. I have had to deal with men who had both wives and mistresses sharing their beds. I have counseled couples trying to get past cases of both physical and/or verbal abuse. Couples struggling to heal and forgive adultery are very frequent. Many of the annulment cases involve certain forms of adultery, although it usually will not suffice as grounds for a case. Immigrants come to this country having been party to polygamous marriages— talk about complications! Some treat sexuality chiefly as recreation; and yet the body of the beloved is not a toy or plaything. Priests are made privy to all the various situations and, I must say for myself, I wish it were otherwise. I cringe away from involvement in people’s intimate lives and relationships. I want to help but there is no prurient curiosity. As in Confession, I want just enough details to decipher what sin we are discussing, and no more.

  7. Hi Father,
    If I put on the headstone “Sacred Heart of Jesus have mercy on the soul of” I feel like I’m saying this person is a bad person and asking for forgiveness for them –

    FATHER JOE: We all need divine mercy.

  8. In a sense, I guess it does make self-giving difficult in every sense, but it definitely does compromise vows if one doesn’t get any help or healing for it. Some do refuse to get help, and that’s bad. To deal with it before marriage IS the ideal, it’s what I’m trying to do, but like I said, some would start getting repressed memories or feelings from their past in marriage. Also, I feel that when I asked if one could say “no” I wasn’t too clear that I meant just sometimes. I mean, couples abstain sometimes when they practice NFP, right? And I wouldn’t really know, but I have a hard time imagining that couples would come together when someone just died in the family or something similarly distressing. I hope I’m being more clear now; sometimes it brings up the trauma, and so sometimes one might be emotionally unable to do it, or just say “stop” if it’s an act that’s traumatic or if it starts to hurt. That’s what I meant.

    The couples I referred to were in books I’ve read in healing from my abuse, from at least one Catholic youth minister on chastity whose wife was abused herself, advising husbands to keep things romantic, spend the energy elsewhere, etc. when his wife is having a tough time, and from one lady who had also had a history in abuse when I asked something similar (if we have a choice). I’ve spoken to some ladies who were also abused, all of them older than me, and they have shared some things like that when I came to them for advice one-on-one. I never thought of it being a breach in boundaries, though. Maybe I’ll be more careful what I ask from now on.

    I really hope that wasn’t what I was sounding like, that I lean towards that bitter sort of feminism. I can see where they’re coming from, but that thinking is neither loving nor truthful, and therefore is of no interest to me. What I meant is whether it’s a duty or a gift. Love is supposed to be a gift, right? To make love is to give each other to your spouse, right? Hearing something like “Unless she’s ill, she is committing mortal sin to refuse her husband” makes it sound to me as a victim like the opposite, that there is no choice, no gift, no love. It sounds like what my abusers did, and it really saddens and frightens me. Thanks for letting me know that, though, about how the Church doesn’t condone rape, in or out of marriage, and is contrary to the marital act.

    Sorry for being so unclear. This is a very emotional topic for me, and I’m having trouble finding the words. Through my mother and my experiences being sexually abused, I always understood “sex” as “rape”. I always felt afraid of how I looked, who I talk to, because for the longest time I believed wholeheartedly that it’s all my fault if anything would happen, or even that it DID happen. I’m working through that now, but that sort of stuff doesn’t go away so easily. That all said, this is very confusing for me, and I might be misunderstanding something. Does that make more sense now?

    FATHER JOE:

    But key to what you are saying is that sometimes “couples” opt not to share the marital act in following NFP. It is not simply one spouse saying no to the other. Marriage is a dialogue between a man and a woman, between the head and the heart of the home.

    I have known women who treated sex as a weapon. One woman even bragged to me as to how she treated her husband. She said “He gives to me what I want or I refuse to give him what he wants— and we all know what that is.” He was the proverbial hen-pecked husband. Sex was corrupted to a payment. There was no sense of gift. There was no respect for her husband as a man. As I said, marriage should be a dialogue. But I will not back away from the element of duty. Couples have an obligation to each other and to God. They must be open to each other and to children. There can be no retraction of the vows. When a man and woman get married; they afterwards go home and to bed. The two become one flesh. This is more than a sex act. It is an expression of their covenant with each other and with God. It is hard to hold on to the divine mystery. Just as we must receive the Eucharist again and again; couples repeatedly return to the marital act as a sacramental encounter with each other and the Lord. Given their state of life, denial of this union can lead not only to weakening in their union but harm to the soul.

  9. Dear Fr. Joe,

    In continued appreciation for the obvious time and care you give to these answers for the sake of the faithful, I offer the following thoughts.

    Extramarital affairs and self-pollution are the result of disoriented sexual desires and sin, not a lack of sex. This line of thinking has led our media and culture to blame the sexual sins of our Religious on celibacy. In the case of adultery, it can “blame the victim” and allow the sinner to justify a lack of self-mastery.

    My understanding is that the Theology of the Body has brought the Church to a much fuller understanding of the sexual act. In this one enormous work, Pope Saint John Paul II doubled the information the Church has offered on the subject. The most significant contribution, perhaps, was bringing “the person” into the conversation. That is, sexual intimacy is not just about lawful obligation- it is a sign of God’s free, total, faithful, and fruitful love.

    Pope Saint John Paul II specifically acknowledges that one can “commit adultery in the heart” with their own spouse, and that sexual desire can be disordered in marriage and lustful. There is no Church mandate to be sexually responsive to lust. That lust is defined in TOB as a lack of a free, total, faithful, and fruitful gift. A woman who knows she is simply an outlet for a husband’s urges knows she is a mere object of lust within her own marriage.

    Going back to the Sermon on the Mount, our latest saint reminds us that the law is not there for the sake of following rules, but for fulfillment- that is, the experience of divine love.

    Thank you for allowing me to share, and thank you for your vocation.

    FATHER JOE:

    Disorientation is a term usually reserved to the wrongful attraction of pedophiles, pederasts, homosexuals and those suffering from bestiality. While sex between unmarried men and women is wrong, it is not disorientation. This might also be argued in cases of heterosexual adultery. The attraction and physicality is not wrong or unnatural; however it is wrong or sinful because of promises made in marriage. They give something to which the other is not entitled; indeed, it belongs to another.

    I can only speak as a celibate, but I have been made privy through the counsel given God’s people that adultery is often due to factors like the alienation of affection, refusal of the marriage bed, and a hardness of hearts. I see no reason why these couples would lie to me. Human sexuality and reproduction are vital elements of marriage; as a matter of fact, remove them and marriage is unnecessary. This is deeper than feeding selfishness but rather the fulfillment of a basic need in spouses. It is for this reason that Catholicism has never approved of inordinately long betrothals. The danger increases for sin because of their growing desire for union.

    The Theology of the Body has many proponents and is essentially compiled from Pope John Paul II’s many talks. However, there is not as much novelty as some would admit. Traditional moral theology placed most of the emphasis upon human generation. Sexual joy and fidelity were seen as lesser ends. The late Pope would place them on the same level. However, the marital union was always viewed as reflective of divine love, particularly in the bridal imagery of Christ in love with his spouse, the Church. We tend to speak of marriage these days as a covenant as opposed to the old language of a contract. However, the legal duties are in no way rescinded.

    Adultery in the heart, popularized by President Jimmy Carter, was a biblical appreciation, not something unique to the last Pope. The infidelity to a spouse can start in many ways and would also include pornography and voyeurism. Spouses might also wrongly imagine themselves in bed with another. They might also reduce or deride the dignity of the spouse as a means to an ends, seeking sexual satisfaction but not really true “fides” and union.

    Disorientation in desire would refer to such matters as oral sex, anal intercourse and mutual masturbation. A spouse is not obliged to participate in acts that are inherently immoral. This becomes somewhat more complicated with contraceptive intercourse but we are reminded by Pope emeritus Benedict that condomistic intercourse is intrinsically immoral. However, spouses suffer and accept many things to preserve family harmony. I am fully aware of all the many ways in which our marriages and families are wounded.

    Nothing I have written here says that spouses should be responsive to lust. All I have said is that the spouses have a right to the marital act and that to refrain is a cause of mortal sin. That is Church teaching. There must also be, as I said, a spontaneity of the heart… wanting something because the spouse wants it. St. Paul made reference that it was better for men to marry than to burn. The marital act realizes union but also satisfies for the passion that God has given lovers. This is not lust. Pope John Paul II rightly taught that lust, even in marriage, is a sin. Lust devalues the person. But genuine passion between married lovers celebrates both their union and the sacred personhood of the beloved. It is this person and no other that is loved. However, deprived of this gift and many men will fall in their weakness and seek to be satisfied with less. It is an element of a fallen human nature.

  10. Father this is a wierd question that came up in my mind. Are dreams also controlled by God? Since God is in control of everything. If that’s the case why do we get nightmares, senseless dreams, dirty dreams?

    FATHER JOE: God can use dreams but nightmares can also be the result of certain pizza toppings!

  11. Father how do I understand and better appreciate God’s love for me? Sometimes when I try to contemplate on it, it seems strange to me how he would love me so much because when I try to think about God, I bring up the faces of some people who ve been nice to me in the past and imagine their love for me magnified a thousand times to come up with how much God loves me but its still not enough.

    FATHER JOE: You can never fully appreciate it… just accept it.

  12. Hi Father,

    I am a Catholic.

    My friend converted to another denomination that is hardcore anti-Catholic.

    This denomination is against infant baptism, papacy, prayer to Mary and the Saints, purgatory, limbo, etc.

    She told me:

    “If you take me as a true friend, you would be more eager to invite me back to the Catholic faith.”

    The problem is she already knows everything about the Catholic Church’s teachings (as per her claim), and she said those teachings are exactly what she doesn’t agree with.

    She said she studied the Catechism and proved that Catholicism is in grave error in most of her doctrines.

    The way I see it, she already closed her heart and mind and there is nothing I can do or say to invite her back to the Catholic Church.

    I am praying for her.

    Father Joe, if you were in my position, what would you do?

    For example, you were talking with my friend, and she dropped an anti-Marian statement, like Mama Mary is not a virgin.

    Would you try to defend Our Lady, or would you keep quiet knowing that that person has already closed her mind and heart?

    Do you agree it’s best to keep quiet and just pray?

    maybe I don’t have to defend our Stella Maris because the Lion of Judah is always protecting her?

    PS. this friend is a very dear friend so I need to be tender as much as possible. we’ve been friends since we were 13 yrs old. now we are 31 yrs old.

    Pray for us.

    God bless you.

    FATHER JOE:

    What she says she knows is probably the anti-Catholic propaganda that was fed to her. A straw man Catholicism is put forward by antagonists for dissection since they anticipate that most Catholics do not know their faith sufficiently to offer a coherent response. Once they win Catholics to their side, they in turn are urged to employ similar tactics and to urge Catholic friends to debate the faith. I would ask if she ever took her questions or concerns directly to her parish priest or a truly learned Catholic. The odds are that she did not. Would she now? Catholic faith is also a supernatural gift and there is no guarantee that study or debate will instill faith since it is ultimately up to divine providence.

    I am not you. Unless you are really informed about the faith and understand the tactics of fundamentalists, it would be hard for you to address her charges. Remember, while truth is on our side, anti-Catholicism is not interested in truth but in propaganda. That has to be exposed before any real exploration of Catholicism is possible. We had Catholic bishops and priests proclaiming the Gospel before there was a written New Testament or a complete Bible. We appreciate the two fonts of revelation and Church authority established by our Lord. Anti-Catholic fundamentalists reduce to Christian faith to a BOOK RELIGION like Islam. That is very far from the mark. They also minimize the role of the Church. They are good about stressing a “personal” relationship with Christ but weak in understanding how this saving faith is measured in obedience, charity and solidarity with Christ’s faith community. We are called, both to a personal and to a corporate faith in Jesus Christ. This communal element is behind infant baptism, prayer for the dead, the salvific nature of the Church and the communion of the saints. I suspect that she knew little if anything about Church history and the genuine Catholic legacy of faith.

    As for the charge against Mary, fundamentalist anti-Catholics almost always ridicule so as to upset Catholics. Anger or shock engages the emotions and tends to shut down or hinder reason. They do not want a truly rational argument. They want you to absorb proof texts and caricatures of Catholicism that they can malign.

    What response can you give? “You are free to believe as you like, but what drives you to mock the faith of others? Even the Scriptures attest that Mary was a virgin. There is no evidence that the ‘brothers and sisters’ of the Lord were anything but cousins. Indeed, the Bible exposes two of the brethren as sons of another Mary. Did you know that? Jesus gives Mary to John at the Cross. This would have been absurd and a disgrace if she had other children of her own. Notice that while the Bible speaks of these kin to Christ, never once is Mary called their mother. The Scriptures never say, ‘Mary and her other children.’ The language is strained to do this because the Gospel writers were aware of the extended relationship. We cannot compare the extended families of old with the nuclear families of today. Brothers, sisters, cousins, parents, grandparents, uncles and aunts often lived and worked together.”

    Yes, refusing to play games and praying instead may be the way to go. Unless you are really prepared for Catholic apologetics, this is probably the best move. You may want to give her materials from an organization like Catholic Answers or a copy of Scott Hahn’s book, Rome Sweet Home.

    This change in her may make keeping such a friendship hard to do. You can still affirm her love of Jesus and her efforts to live as a Christian. But she no longer considers you a Christian. She believes that water baptism is useless and that you need to be saved. She thinks that the Jesus you follow is the idol of the wafer-deity. Continue to witness through your daily discipleship as a Catholic Christian. It may be that actions will speak louder than words. But be prepared. Many fundamentalists are told not to associate with so-called unsaved persons, especially Catholics who are judged as in bondage to devils.

  13. Also Father in response to what you said about gregorian masses, I want to offer one for some people I know who have died but the problem is other people book masses for their intentions like you said. So should I go ahead and book the gregorian mass or should I forget about it?

    FATHER JOE: There are religious houses that offer them. But the decision is yours.

  14. Hello Father. Please help me and judge this case.
    I noticed something about my older sister. I hope I’m not being judgmental over her, but my mum and older sister do things for her or make certain sacrifices that she can’t do for them in return.
    I ve noticed it not once or twice. Sometimes my mum would ask, in fact literally beg for her to do something and she would kind of grumble and complain that she’s tired.
    I’m not perfect, I have my flaws but it upsets me sometimes, to the extent I pointed it out to her that what she was doing wasn’t fair, that it was kind of selfish for her to act that way, and she got angry.
    Did I judge her harshly, thereby committing a sin? What constitutes being judgmental and what doesn’t? Thanks.

    FATHER JOE: This is not an area where I should give advice. We are not so much talking about sin but about family interaction. I do not involve myself with such aspects of people’s lives.

  15. 1. Well, he is too protective even though I’m already 25. The issues are going out with friends, coming home late evening. I feel I am entitled to some amount of freedom. Sometimes he even begins to grumble about the TV shows I watch because he doesn’t get to watch his shows. I love my home and family but this is too annoying as the Bible says that no one should abandon their parents in their old age or give them cause for grief.

    2. Yes father, it was a sexual relationship but I did not compromise on my virginity. It was just heavy petting. Am I wrong if I choose not to disclose this to my potential spouse? The guilt feeling is still inside of me.

    FATHER JOE: Unless your father really needs you, maybe it is time to go out on your own? As for what you tell a potential spouse, I think there should be a genuine openness. Just be prepared, that his revelations might be a lot more than intimate touching.

  16. Dear Father,

    I noticed your conversation with JP about marital union. I will admit right now that I might be misunderstanding something, but I have a question: if a wife, or really, either spouse, had any abuse in his/her past, would it be okay to say no?

    FATHER JOE: Would the abuse constitute such trauma that it might compromise the vows and bond? I take it to mean, abuse from someone other than the spouse. Such should be treated and resolved before the marriage.

    It brings up memories, at least for me, to just think about doing more than a friendly hug or handshake with a guy, much less think about being married and doing “that”. I’m working through it as a single girl, sure, but it’s not going to be all gone. Then there’re others who would get memories in marriage, or just not deal with them. I know really loving married couples who would stop, or take breaks from that if it triggers one of them.

    FATHER JOE: Couples may make such decisions together, but how do you know they do this? I think married couples should not casually share elements of their love-making with others. A therapist or counselor is okay, but not with the guys or girlfriends.

    Again, I might be misunderstanding something. My mother said things like I hadn’t a choice if I’m married, did things, and well, my experiences hasn’t taught me otherwise. Maybe, does that count as “illness”?

    FATHER JOE: Could not make out what you were try to say here.

    -Ana

    PS: I read your bit about “hostile marriages”, and wanted to share if you didn’t know that some would rape their spouse, justifying the act by quoting that law. What is moral law shouldn’t be changed, and people have picked out words and phrases to justify evil for ages. However…the way it’s worded feels dangerous to me.

    FATHER JOE:

    I am not sure how it might be reworded. Spouses sacrifice a definite level of personal autonomy. Many today buy the lie that it is “the woman’s body” and that no one has a say over it, either the unborn child or the husband. But the Church would speak of mutual donation. The spouses belong to each other. If men and women do not want to engage in this mutual donation then they should seek out celibate religious life.

    The Church would never condone rape, in- or outside of marriage. Here rape is defined not merely as a sexual act but as a violent assault. Violence or aggression is contrary to the basic meaning of the conjugal union.

  17. Thank you for your response about sexual intimacy and duty in marriage.

    Everything makes sense, save a spouse having an obligation to engage in a sexual act without further pastoral consideration of the situation. My question does not involve using the promise of sexual relation in coercion or manipulation of any kind- that is the opposite of freedom. I simply speak of the fact that there are very hurtful marriages in general, and even very hurtful times in healthy marriages- it does not make sense that a person is obligated to have sexual relations in distress. It seems the obligation is for both parties to commit to the pursuit of restoration to allow for a humane and authentic renewal of vows.

    Thank you.

    FATHER JOE:

    Again, my response is not in regard to seriously troubled marriages. In that regard many avenues of communion and communication have broken down.

    My views are not personal opinion. The old moral manuals would also not employ a lot of psychology in understanding this matter, either. It might sound crass, but it is reflective of St. Paul that it is better to marry than to burn. Withholding marital intimacy was often faulted as leading to adultery or self-pollution. The essential elements are these: the sacramental marital union itself; the expression of fidelity in the act; and that it is the type of act that is open to the generation of new human life.

  18. Dear Fr. Joe,

    He does seem on his way to a third marriage, but no plans to come into the Church. This third woman is a fallen-away Catholic as well.

    I feel no judgment- there is, indeed, no understanding. I just have teenagers who are in need of truth and formation along with compassion. Both of our extended families live in confusion in dramatic ways, so we are continually trying to teach our children in truth and love.

    One remaining question. Does that mean unless a Catholic is actually excommunicated that they are considered Catholic and no marriage is acknowledged outside of the Church?

    Thank you.

    FATHER JOE: The censure of excommunication would not necessarily release them from the law. Catholics must be married by a priest or deacon. The only exception is if they get a dispensation from canonical form. It was once argued that the marriage laws might not apply to a Catholic if he or she formally denounced the Catholic faith. However, while liturgists have argued this, other authorities still content that “once Catholic, always Catholic.”

  19. I was raised Catholic but when my parents divorced we went to my mom’s Lutheran church.

    I became friends on Facebook with a man who lives in another state. I am single. I thought he was, too. He wanted to do “online sex” no pictures or face-to-face chatting. The conversation was only text messages. He did send me a picture of his erect manhood. I did not send any pictures. We did the online sex chat. He says he married the woman because she got pregnant but they are miserable together. I do not think they are even in the same bedroom. Of course all this is what he is telling me and I have no proof if anything. I am now feeling ashamed and guilty. I believe I committed adultry with this man and I feel awful. He seems like a nice guy but people can be anything they want on the computer. I need to know where I stand in God’s eyes and what I should do for redemption. I have been apologizing to God. And not everyone agrees “online sex” truly is sex. I don’t think this guy thinks there is anything wrong with what we did. I think we did something majorly wrong.

    Thank you for your time and help.

    FATHER JOE: I take the hardline view that even readily available pornography with images of strangers constitutes a form of adultery. Infidelity does not necessarily mean the sex act. Your words and sexual flirtation with him is an occasion of sin and he is a married man. Yes, you are right, it is a form of adultery. You should go to Confession. If he is Catholic then he should do the same… and maybe put the computer in the family room.

  20. Thanks Father. Father what is your opinion on gregorian masses?

    FATHER JOE: Given the priest shortage, it is hard to find a priest who will say thirty consecutive days of Masses. Remember, the priest can only take one stipend per day. Also, there are others who want Masses said for their intentions, too.

  21. Dear Fr. Joe,

    In a previous response you stated to a man having some marriage difficulties that:

    “As for wanting sex, it is an expression of your marriage covenant. Unless she is ill, your wife commits a grievous sin to deny the marriage bed.”

    Not wanting women to misinterpret this, could you please elaborate in the context of the sexual act only being a sign of the vows if it is free, total, faithful, and fruitful? That is, a free act of sexual intimacy could never happen (perhaps most of all for a woman) in the context of a hostile state of marriage. It would, to a woman, feel like an act of prostitution or slavery.

    My 26 years of marriage and fidelity to Christ’s teaching has taught me that my obligation in this area is to do everything possible to move toward the state of harmony again where tender expressions of love are a free act. That is, I am called to work on my relationship in not holding grudges, punishing, remaining resentful, etc. But, rather, I must actively pursue resolution so all relations, especially sexual relations, can be normalized.

    I do not believe that having sexual feelings are the main requirement for a woman to respond to her husband. A loving relationship will always tend to the gap in feelings. However, I cannot make sense of an act of sexual intimacy in a hostile marriage because of the violation to the freedom of the act and the dignity of the human person.

    Thank you for anything you can offer.

    FATHER JOE:

    I suppose I am regarded as a rigorist because I would regard divorce without remarriage to be a sin, at least for the person or persons judged most culpable.

    Obviously, those who are not married cannot share the marital act with each other. Vaginal sexual intercourse may resemble the act in a mechanical fashion, but those who give their bodies away in fornication or are sold in prostitution are not sharers in the marital act, even if there is a degree of warmth and/or intimacy. They are robbers, taking to “themselves” something that does not belong to them. It is in this sense that sex outside of marriage is logically viewed as a catalyst to adultery within marriages. There is a disconnect between sexual expression and the bond for which it was fashioned.

    Contraceptive intercourse, even between spouses, neither consummates their bond nor is a renewal of their marriage covenant. It is not the marital act. Abuse, intimidation and violence in marriages are always serious sins and damage each and every element of these unions.

    However, turning to otherwise healthy marriages, having said this, once the vows are made, neither spouse has the right to perpetually and/or coercively use the promise of sexual union and joy as an element of manipulation. It is taken for granted, that from the moment the vows are uttered between them, they will live out as DUTY what it means to be “free, total, faithful, and fruitful.” Other than sickness or basic propriety, refusal to engage in the marital act is the matter of mortal sin.

    While it is not a de-personalizing slavery, marriage does constitute a bond where one gives him- or herself to the beloved. They belong to each other. The wife’s body as an expression of her personhood and identity, does indeed belong to the man she marries. Similarly, he is her property (so-to-speak) and is off bounds to other women. Marriage is heavily connected to human corporeal nature. We are our bodies. The spouses take care of each other. They become truly one flesh.

    Sometimes one spouse must find spontaneity of the spirit, loving the spouse even when he or she does not feel like doing so. This is an element of their sacrificial love. This freedom to give or not give the spouse the right to have the marital union begins and ends with the vows. It is not something to which one can return again and again after selfish pursuits and not wanting to be touched. Spouses should certainly discuss such matters and find a certain harmony, but the marital act is not an accidental sentiment or an optional affair. It is an obligatory duty. It is at the heart of the marriage reality. You cannot say I belong to you and then the next day say you do not. That is the sentiment of fornicators not husbands and wives.

    As for a hostile marriage, it would seem to me that on a certain level it has stopped being a marriage. I would urge these cases to seek out marital counseling. However, this is different from situations where there are minor disagreements and spats. The one signifies a marriage in trouble; the latter is simply a element of the everyday human condition.

  22. Dear Fr. Joe,

    My husband’s brother, a Protestant and baptized Christian, has been divorced twice (both women were baptized Christians- the first was a non-practicing Catholic). The weddings were in a Protestant church with an ordained minister.

    I am not sure how to explain this to my children looking through the lens of our Catholic faith. I know the Church recognizes other Christian marriages, and all “good and natural” marriages even to the extent that an annulment is needed if anyone with such a marriage seeks remarriage in the Church.

    But, does the Church say anything about divorces and remarriages that happen outside of the Catholic Church? Is it correct to say that my brother-in-law is still considered to be married to his first wife in our eyes?

    Thank you!

    FATHER JOE:

    I take it that his brother was never Catholic. But, since his first spouse was a Catholic (regardless of practice) this first bond would have no religious standing in the Catholic Church. Catholics must be married before a priest or deacon and with two witnesses.

    If the second marriage was between two Protestants, then the second bond would probably be recognized. Indeed, if both are baptized, we would even presume it to be a sacrament. We do not recognize divorce.

    Some Protestant churches have marriages reviewed by a board of elders but many do not get involved at all. If his brother wanted to be a Catholic and to get married again, he would have to approach a Marriage Tribunal. The first case would be an easy Lack of Canonical Form case (essentially quick paperwork). The second marriage would be a formal Annulment case.

    God judges us according to what we know. Is the brother currently alone or is he married a third time? I would urge that he be treated with respect and compassion. Given that he is not Catholic, it is probably best to steer conversations away from his marriages and divorces. Peace!

  23. I have 2 questions, Father:

    1. How do I deal with my dad who restricts every little thing I do. We have so many fights. I feel I’m not doing right by arguing with him all the time since God has commanded us to honour our parents. But this has become nearly impossible for me since everything I do is a problem.

    FATHER JOE: How old are you? Does your father need you? Some people have controlling personalities. They are hard with whom to live and there is no making it easy. But, depending upon the issues, maybe it is all because he loves you and wants to protect you? You did not say what the conflicts are specifically about.

    2. When I decide to get married to a man, is it correct to hide my past relationship from him especially if it was a physical relationship? Because this guilt remains with me till date even though I’ve gone to confessions and repented.

    FATHER JOE: What past relationship? This is unclear. You mean past sexual relationships? I do not believe it is necessary to go into a lot of details, but yes, I personally believe that a potential spouse should be informed if the beloved has compromised virginity.

    Thank you.

  24. Father I struggle with scrupulousity a lot. I ve had this disease for as long as I can remember, and it doesn’t give me peace! I analyze everything I do just to ensure that I’m on the right path to the extent it tires me out. I really need your help! Thank you.

    FATHER JOE: Scrupulosity can be a moral disorder but if it is a disease then you need healing from another type of professional. Psychologists deal with mental disease. Priests deal with ailments of the soul.

  25. Hello Father, what does it mean to endure suffering patiently for God’s sake? Does it mean that when someone annoys you or when you re going through difficulties you should just bottle up your feelings and don’t show any emotion? It confuses me sometimes.

    FATHER JOE: It means that we should respond to difficulties with love and forgiveness, not with anger or efforts at retribution. It means that we do not despair but keep hope alive.

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